if calzaghe was american would be he considered an atg

[Arka]

Yes, he would unquestionably be considered a great. It has nothing to do with race though. It's purely a psychological issue with boxing fans who are struggling to accept that America no longer has the absolute dominance it once had. They have been conditioned by decades of history, so I don't particularly blame them.

Come on...you can't really consider, on the basis of him handily outpointing and beating up this version of Roy Jones(who was emphatically knocked out 4 years earlier by Tarver and Johnson-guys who never would have lived with Roy in his prime),Joe is a reasonable candidate for ATG status.

I mean it's not like it was difficult to predict what was gonna happen...
(I'm pretty good at predicting the outcome of fights involving shot fighters)

I saw Roy being interviewed on the Pavlik-Hopkins broadcast.His voice is not too clear nowadays....
I'm seriously worried that he'll get worked over and hurt by Joe-a man not fit to lace his boots in his prime.

We'll see on the night of the fight.A fighter like Hopkins was able to turn back the years,but he was never KTFO like Jones was twice recently.Also,Jones' game was based on speed and reflexes.He lacks both now.
I'm hoping against hope that Jones somehow wins,but I have the same feeling about this fight as that between Tyson and Lewis...

Oh well, it's all immaterial anyway.He's gonna retire after beating Jones, a hero to the people of Wales,with most of his brain cells intact.
Who cares what many boxing fans(a lot of whom are American) think?

Let's use an analogy here: Tyson brutally KO'd Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks fighters who were never,otherwise, KOd in their careers.Does that make him the "greatest" heavyweight of all time How you would judge him overall as a fighter,based on these performances is mostly a subjective mixture of art,science and-yes-emotion....

[Wales08]

We all know that because he aint american he will not be great. Correct?

[Arka]

We all know that because he aint american he will not be great. Correct?

He's not in the class of a Hopkins or a Jones.No.I think you would have to agree with that...
He is a great though...

[Flawless 2]

We all know that because he aint american he will not be great. Correct?

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[Wales08]

He's not in the class of a Hopkins or a Jones.No.I think you would have to agree with that...
He is a great though...


Hopkins the racist? I disagree.

RJJ is in the same class as Calzaghe. Both ATG.

[P4P Opinion]

Come on...you can't really consider, on the basis of him handily outpointing and beating up this version of Roy Jones(who was emphatically knocked out 4 years earlier by Tarver and Johnson-guys who never would have lived with Roy in his prime),Joe is a reasonable candidate for ATG status.

I don't consider it on the basis of him beating an old Roy Jones Jr. Don't second guess what I'm saying! What I type is what I mean. I'm not trying to claim that Calzaghe is even as good as Hopkins or Jones Jr, I'm just saying that he's in the same league and I believe the reason he isn't considered to be by many people is because he isn't American. These people find a way to twist every win he has into being meaningless, which just isn't fair. I can't be sure it has anything to do with him not being American, but all I see from the people attacking him is mild xenophobia and rampant, clouded nostalgia. They aren't all American either.

Let's use an analogy here: Tyson brutally KO'd Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks fighters who were never,otherwise, KOd in their careers.Does that make him the "greatest" heavyweight of all time How you would judge him overall as a fighter,based on these performances is mostly a subjective mixture of art,science and-yes-emotion....

Your point is a good one, but it also serves to illustrate what I'm saying. A very high percentage of people on Boxing Scene consider Mike Tyson an all-time great, despite the fact that he never beat a great. Calzaghe's record is better than Tyson's, yet very few people question Tyson's status as an ATG.

[WhoreUs]

We all know that because he aint american he will not be great. Correct?

most people wouldn't argue if you call joe great.

he is a great fighter.

problem is you call him all-time great and he is not.

he is very overrated. i've heard people say he's greatest british fighter. that's not true.

i'm not british and i get insulted when people say he's greater than jimmy wilde or lennox lewis. how do you think americans would react if you try to compare joe to say an ali or robinson.

i often defend joe at times here. he can't help it if he was in a weak division and he really did beat a lot of good fighters but joe is NOT an ATG.

[Allucard]

Simply put no. He beat 2 and only 2 great fighters. Those fighters were both in their 40's. Not good enough. And we already have one Marciano, not cutting any more breaks...

[Wales08]

Calzaghe overated? My tea nearly came back up!

Every pundit, boxer, coach over here have said Joe Calzaghe is a great even just now Lennox Lewis said he is. "He's tied with me" in his own words from an ATG.

I respect your comments even though i diasgree 100%.

[Flawless 2]

Calzaghe overated? My tea nearly came back up!

Every pundit, boxer, coach over here have said Joe Calzaghe is a great even just now Lennox Lewis said he is. "He's tied with me" in his own words from an ATG.

I respect your comments even though i diasgree 100%.

Ali once said Tyson would beat him