if calzaghe was american would be he considered an atg

[BlackHat]

If JC is an American he could have had a better career fighting better competition therefore an be considered as an ATG assuming he still has the 0

[The Hammer]

close your eyes and think of Muhammed Ali, the greatest sportsman in history in any sport. think of him beating frazier, foreman and all comers. think of his speed, his grace, his humour, his class, his ability.....

now imagine that he is WHITE!

ok i stole it from a film, but it applies here lol

Marciano and Dempsey are no longer considered great because they are white. Back in the 60s, if you watch the old documentaries, you'll see that they were considered great at that time.

If Ali was a white man, all the negative aspects would be emphasized. They'd talk about Patterson and Liston being old fighters, the state of the heavyweight division being poor in the 60s, talk about his loss to Frazier at age 29, about Norton being robbed and should have two wins not one over Ali, that he was lucky Foreman gassed because he was losing up to that point, etc.

[Flawless 2]

Marciano and Dempsey and no longer considered great because they are white. Back in the 60s, if you watch the old documentaries, you'll see that they were considered great at that time.

If Ali was a white man, all the negative aspects would be emphasized. They'd talk about Patterson and Liston being old fighters, the state of the heavyweight division being poor in the 60s, talk about his loss to Frazier at age 29, about Norton being robbed and should have two wins not one over Ali, that he was lucky Foreman gassed because he was losing up to that point, etc.

Who are the people discrediting white fighters, Tunney. The majority of the Media is white owned and the majority of boxing fans are white and on his forum as well.




































Or is the ***s fault


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[Flawless 2]

he was lucky Foreman gassed because he was losing up to that point, etc.

Judge: Nourridine Adalla 67-70
Judge: James Taylor 66-69
Judge: Zach Clayton 66-68

Muhammed Ali was winning

[Testdead]

Calzaghe is an atg.

[WhoreUs]

Marciano and Dempsey and no longer considered great because they are white. Back in the 60s, if you watch the old documentaries, you'll see that they were considered great at that time.

If Ali was a white man, all the negative aspects would be emphasized. They'd talk about Patterson and Liston being old fighters, the state of the heavyweight division being poor in the 60s, talk about his loss to Frazier at age 29, about Norton being robbed and should have two wins not one over Ali, that he was lucky Foreman gassed because he was losing up to that point, etc.

some days you make me shake my head.......

[WhoreUs]

Calzaghe is an atg.

atg stands for all time great.

he is not the greatest of all time.

not even close......

[P4P Opinion]

Yes, he would unquestionably be considered a great. It has nothing to do with race though. It's purely a psychological issue with boxing fans who are struggling to accept that America no longer has the absolute dominance it once had. They have been conditioned by decades of history, so I don't particularly blame them.

[Allucard]

my definition of atg is if you can argue he was the best ever in his division or multiple divisions.

i don't want to give him atg status though because his division hasn't been around a long time.

And the best in the division is Chad Dawson. He's young, undefeated and the CHAMPION, the man to beat. So no ATG sorry Joe. Oh and he can fight fast and actively for 12 rounds... I bet that scares the **** out of Joe, the thought of fighting someone who's as active as he is. His flaws would soon be exposed. It's no coincidence he was KD in the first round against both grandpas he fought. Imagine if they could press the action from there?

[WhoreUs]

Yes, he would unquestionably be considered a great. It has nothing to do with race though. It's purely a psychological issue with boxing fans who are struggling to accept that America no longer has the absolute dominance it once had. They have been conditioned by decades of history, so I don't particularly blame them.

or it could just be exposure.

the more a person sees/knows a fighter and his opponent the more favorable they see him.

nationality/ethnicity has nothing to do with it. at least to most people.