Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[Kris Silver]

Clealry, you didnt notice Jones knocking out Virgil Hill and breaking a rib or two with a bodyshot in '98. Or we wouldnt be readin this...

Oh right so because he can hurt another boxer and hasn't in awhile then it must just mean they lost all their power? Not that it's different fighters and they just don't land as hard that often, especially on more elusive opponents.

The last thing to go is a punch.

[S A M U R A I]

show and prove not show and tell

if joe could have beaten prime jones...he should have done so instead of fighters with records of 23 and 25

He tried. Jones and Hopkins wanted nothing to do with him.



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[Chunk..]

The whole planet ducked Joe Calzaghe. It's plan for all to see.

[No*Ordinary*Joe]

Joes Not In His Prime Either, He Had To Let Go His Power 4 The Sake Of His Hands. Fact Fact Fact Fact

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Oh right so because he can hurt another boxer and hasn't in awhile then it must just mean they lost all their power? Not that it's different fighters and they just don't land as hard that often, especially on more elusive opponents.

The last thing to go is a punch.

Sorry man but you clearly dont understand much of this sport, Jones hit incredibly hard, but he is not George Foreman: many if not most of his KOs above 68 came from accuracy, angles, and punches unseen from his opponent.

The first things to go are reflexes and speed, which Jones lost 4 years ago.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Why does it matter if he was beaten by guys past their prime?

Jones in his prime was so ridiculously dependent on athleticism that he fell WAY off after his prime, but that doesn't make his prime any worse!

Look at NFL players like Randy Moss who will be much worse past his prime than a fundamental receiver like a Cris Carter, it doesn't mean that they weren't comparable during their primes. Some guys just drop off a lot and that's Roy Jones.

Old Joe > Old Roy does not mean Prime Joe > Prime Roy, or Tarver or Johnson.

Why does it matter?

Because the biggest excuse Jones stans use is that he wasn't in his prime. I'm merely pointing out that the guys who beat them, weren't either. When they say he wasn't in his prime, it seems as if they feel Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe were/are. One guy is even arguing that they were/are in their primes when they beat Roy.


They want to feel that his losses don't really count because he fought past his prime.


That excuse doesn't work for any other fighter, it won't work for Roy Jones.

There are MANY fighters in boxing history who were unbeatable in their primes. They too fought on and lost.

[Dan...]

I disagree with this notion. I am quick to give Calzaghe credit for this win, but it is also important to acknowledge that Jones was possibly not even fighting at 30% of the level he did at his prime.

To be honest I don't think anyone who has ever fought at 168 would have beaten the Roy Jones that made James Toney look like an amateur, and that includes Joe, however great he might be.

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Why does it matter?

Because the biggest excuse Jones stans use is that he wasn't in his prime. I'm merely pointing out that the guys who beat them, weren't either. When they say he wasn't in his prime, it seems as if they feel Tarver, Johnson and Calzaghe were/are. One guy is even arguing that they were/are in their primes when they beat Roy.


They want to feel that his losses don't really count because he fought past his prime.


That excuse doesn't work for any other fighter, it won't work for Roy Jones.

There are MANY fighters in boxing history who were unbeatable in their primes. They too fought on and lost.

I guess the excuse doesnt work for JC Chavez, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Pernell Whitaker, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and so on?

What's your point then Marciano, M Spinks, Hagler and Mayweather Jr. are great fighters but those above aren't?

[Dan...]

I guess the excuse doesnt work for JC Chavez, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, Pernell Whitaker, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and so on?

What's your point then Marciano, M Spinks, Hagler and Mayweather Jr. are great fighters but those above aren't?

Pelon is the second biggest Roy hater on this site. There is no point in trying to debate with the man.

[Easy-E]

Oh right so because he can hurt another boxer and hasn't in awhile then it must just mean they lost all their power? Not that it's different fighters and they just don't land as hard that often, especially on more elusive opponents.

The last thing to go is a punch.

It was not purely power, it was his speed and accuracy that made the difference.
The punch you do not see hurts the most.
This is pretty basic boxing knowledge....