Chad Dawson: Did I fall asleep for 3 years or some ****?

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That's a ****ing understatement, Kessler ain't done **** since Calzaghe schooled him. He didn't do much before the Calzaghe fight to be fair.

The guy's a good technical fighter was probably top dog at at 168 now that Calzaghe is gone but he ain't gonna set the world alight, and Dawson would beat Kessler IMO.

Yeah Kessler's record is hard to argue with, his only noteworthy win is still Librado Andrade. And post-Joe he's done fuck all to try to establish himself. I guess he gets the nod as the best guy at 168lbs for right now by default, now that Joe's gone.

Depending on how well Taylor does against Lacy I might edge Jermain to beat Mikkel in the future. But Kessler's boxing fundamentals are top notch, it's just his opposition that's piss poor.

And I said "hang" with Dawson, I never said he'd beat him. I think I'd go with Chad in that fight as well.

[mrkyll]

Don't get it twisted, I'm a huge Calzaghe critic, but even I know where to draw the line. And I draw the line at Chad Dawson, if Joe lost to this kid I'd cut off my own **** and eat it. That's how confident I am in the fact that Joe would win.

Good.
When Chad beats him, I won't have to tell you to eat a ****.

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Good.
When Chad beats him, I won't have to tell you to eat a ****.

Har har hardy har har.

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see things for what they are fellas, see them for what they are.

chad dawson is a good fighter, he is athletic, big for a LHW, has quick hands and is trained by one of the best coaches in the world. imo though he is not ready for calzaghe, dawson in a few years will have the sort of slickness and ring smarts that he would need vs joe, right now he doesn't. dawson has a style that will age well and the good thing for him is that he has big margin for improvement.

can he beat calz though - in a word no. he is bigger, younger and probably slightly quicker but joe has faced opponents before who are bigger, younger and stronger (kessler) and has come through. the guy has a warriors will, if they do get it on, the fight would follow the sme blueprint as the kess fight, joe might struggle initally but after round 5 he would have him figured out and dominate down the stretch.

dawson has faced good opposition especially adamek, johnson and tarver but imo there is alot of hot air around him, america is looking for a next crossover superstar and dawson fits the bill (black american, beaten big name fighters, etc). hes a good fighter but i dont think he would be able to take on joe and would struggle with kess.

dawson's weaknesses are these - stamina vs tarver he was often taking rounds off and allowing tarver the round before again going on and dominating the next few rounds. secondly he is too easy to back up, i see this as a tell tale sign of a boxer who possibly has a suspect chin.

joe would captialise on both these weaknesses, you really think that dawson can afford tking a round off against joe? secondly joe backed up fighters like lacy and kess who have pretty sturdy chins, a fight with dawson would often follow the same pattern as the fight with RJJ did.

joe by wide UD, with a similar margin as the kess fight.
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also think that hopkin would win against dawson by a UD, he is just too slick and knows how to beat a southpaw, yes dawson is quicker and bigger but hopkins is now a bonafide light heavy. plus he would just find it too easy to time dawson and slow the fight down.

if i was hopkins i would really push for the fight vs dawson, he is very beatable and would give b-hop yet more recognition.
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Exactly. They're just picking Dawson because he's the only young, undefeated guy in (or in the general area of) Joe's division. Before him it was Pavlik. If Dawson didn't exist, who then? Would we be seeing polls saying Calzaghe should be fighting Zsolt Erdei, or that he'd ducking Carl Froch?

You have to draw the line somewhere, and everybody knows I'm far from Joe's biggest fan.

But you have to call a spade a spade.

right on spot...

[slicksouthpaw16]

I said this in another thread and I think it warrants a thread of it's own.

So what's up with Chad Dawson? Did I fall asleep for 3 years and miss something with this kid? Why all the hype all of a sudden, I know he's undefeated and black, and that goes a long way around here but this **** is ludacris.

Are we not talking about a guy who just a few months ago looked and acted like a scared little ***** in the ring against Johnson? Narrowly escaping with a **** decision and vowing ot never face Glen again?

The same Glen Johnson that Bernard Hopkins TKO'd 10 fucking years ago?

And he's your go to guy now for Calzaghe? Why? Because he beat Tarver?

Dawson is dog**** and he's an accident waiting to happen, Joe Calzaghe would feast on his corpse, as would the 43 year old Hopkins. I'd favor both Joe and Bernard to outclass this kid en route to lopsided UD victories.

Dawson didn't run anywhere, he fought Johnson and that was his mistake in the fight. Whenever he would open up, he would get countered because Johnson would catch him on the way he in with short accurate right hands.

Also, Johnson was much better than the one that fought Hopkins. The Johnson that fought Hopkins did not fight anyone, and also had a slick boxer's style and wasn't aggressive. The year 2004 proves that Johnson is much better than he was. That's the year that he beat Woods, Tarver, Jones ( and Harding i believe) in the same year and was on the pound for pound list. He is also someone that Calzaghe is accused of avoiding on some boxing forums. No other champion wanted to fight him and Dawson was the only one to step up, and for that you have to give him credit. He is looking to fight the best opposition, and is not looking to defend his belt against no name mandatory for easy title defense that way Calzaghe did earlier in his career and what fighters like Kessler is doing now.

I recommend people watching Dawson fight and actually all of these fights and the circumstances, and you will see that he is the real deal. Its just laughable how you can have ONE bad fight that you actually win and now you are automatically overrated. Another thing that should be considered in the Johnson fight is that he switched trainers at the time, and doing that before a big fights can effect your performance because the old habits of your last training can show up.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Exactly. They're just picking Dawson because he's the only young, undefeated guy in (or in the general area of) Joe's division. Before him it was Pavlik. If Dawson didn't exist, who then? Would we be seeing polls saying Calzaghe should be fighting Zsolt Erdei, or that he'd ducking Carl Froch?

You have to draw the line somewhere, and everybody knows I'm far from Joe's biggest fan.

But you have to call a spade a spade.

I don't know about them but I'm picking Dawson because is he is a horrible style match up for Calzaghe. A straight accurate puncher, extremely quick, knows how to fight well going backward, is a better outside boxer, is naturally bigger and can punch as well. He has the tools and ability to negate Calzaghe's game, and if you take away his volume punching then he is pretty much figured out, because everyone knows that he is not beating Dawson out the outside. Chad is a 6'3 natural light heavyweight.

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a lot of people are underrating dawson's defense. he may not be able to move like cal, but he'll likely block most of cal's shots and land the more meaningful punches.

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alot of what youve said slicksouthpaw is imo your opinion that you're trying to pass of as fact.

yes johnson did beat some good fighters back in the day with victories over tarver and RJJ and harding but he was not ducked by calzaghe. thats some good oldf fashioned **** spun by haters, joe got a hand injury and postponed the fight johson went on to fight someone else and joe did the same thing.

yes dawson has fought and beat some big names like tarver and johnson, but he barely got through against johnson and he seemed very eager to get it on with tarver, why well i think its because he knew that tarver was a loss waiting to happen and rather than let him lose to anyone why not see if you can go over there and get the W. hopkins chased tarver in a similar way and fighters do this when they know that a certain fighter has a weakness. but like you said fair props to him alot of fighters step up and bottle it - dawson didn't.

he did however avoid his mandatory, dianconu, in fact he did it twice i remeber reading an article about it and the author wrotes the same thing about how dawson chased the fight with tarver because he felt as though he could get the win.

plus i think your comments about calz and kess are slightly unfair its alot harder for euro champs to break through in the US market.

yes dawson has a good style for beating calzaghe but calzaghe imo would exploit dawsons 2 big weaknesses. dawson vs tarver was taking rounds off you cant do that vs joe, his conditiing still needs work. second he is easily backed up, calz would just land a flurry every time he got him on the ropes yes dawson might counter well off the ropes but like i said he his stamina and desire dont measure up to joes and joe would force him to fight at a high tempo, one that would render dawson a sitting duck late in the fight.

when joe faced kess he was in against a bigger, stronger and younger fighter but that didn't stop him, after round 5 he dominated and i can see joe winning by the sme scores vs dawson that he did vs kess.
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