Donaire Breaks Finger, Darchinyan Rematch Unlikely

[Espada]

Def i would love for the rematch to happen, but i woulndt say vic needs it more then nonito. Vic is doing just fine without the rematch.

I watch every article I read Darchinyan is on, a Knockout loss to Donaire is always being mentioned.. He's doing fine? Maybe yes but it will just make Nonito look good if a rematch ain't happening.. Vic said he will never defend his title against mandatory challengers. Why the Heck Nonito needs him? Top Rank has Montiel and Arce to cash out.. Who the **** Shaw has at? Shaw wants Montiel and Arce right? Too bad Bob ARum owns them.. Now they are look at 118 and 122? L0l.. Donaire knock him out.. Every article Darchinyan is in, the knockout loss will never dissappear.

[the330ballers]

I had it 3 to 1 as well and thats as slight as it get when your fighting 12 rds. But people are making sound like it was 4 SHUT-OUT rds for Donaire. NO! I t wasn't

i had it 2-1-1 donaire but the rounds donaire won were very decisive and he hurt darchinyan in the third. the other two rounds were questionable. im sure had a tie on points were getting the sense that donaire was a far superior technical fighter and could have won on points (at least that night.. everybodys all over how much better darchinyan has gotten since)

[ragingvic]

I watch every article I read Darchinyan is on, a Knockout loss to Donaire is always being mentioned.. He's doing fine? Maybe yes but it will just make Nonito look good if a rematch ain't happening.. Vic said he will never defend his title against mandatory challengers. Why the Heck Nonito needs him? Top Rank has Montiel and Arce to cash out.. Who the **** Shaw has at? Shaw wants Montiel and Arce right? Too bad Bob ARum owns them.. Now they are look at 118 and 122? L0l.. Donaire knock him out.. Every article Darchinyan is in, the knockout loss will never dissappear.

Who said the loss would disappear? Almost every great fighter has lost, most by ko. Montiel Arce and Nonito could fight each other for the next 10 years and vic would still be considered # 1 unified champ. This is vics divison now.

[BennyST]

Couldn't the same be said that until Darchinyan avenges his defeat, his belts will be hollow?

Vic's leftovers, yes Maldonado was that, but Mthalane was a number one contender. If you don't fight those guys, you lose your belt.

Well, considering he just beat (not only beat, but out-boxed, dominated and KO'd) the number one guy at SFW and one of the best P4P guys today, so no, they're not hollow at all. In fact, Darchinyan has a better career path now than Donaire even though Doniare beat him. He has the better possible opponents, is the undisputed champ etc etc. Donaire's one great achievement so far is that he beat the guy who was number one at Flyweight and who has now come back, improved his game and beaten the much more lauded fighter and reigning champion in Mijares.

Nonetheless, I agree, I don't think Vic could beat Donaire. Perfect style to beat him. The one thing that has noticeably changed though since that fight is his defense and skill. He is now throwing combinations, not coming in as wildly all the time and has actually become reasonably hard to hit. He has certainly improved quite a lot. It could make a rematch much closer and even competitive. I would still take Donaire. Too tall, too much reach and a lot of power in his counters.

Still, tha fact is that Vic has more careers options than Donaire at this point. He has just beaten a much greater fighter than any of their opponents and has already ruled the division that Donaire is in for years. He has some great opponents to fight at SFW, so it really lies with Vic at the moment. Darchinyan has come back and made more from losing already than Donaire has made of beating Vic.

[Espada]

Who said the loss would disappear? Almost every great fighter has lost, most by ko. Montiel Arce and Nonito could fight each other for the next 10 years and vic would still be considered # 1 unified champ. This is vics divison now.

Everyone will remember Donaire schooled and Knock his ass out. His resume would still be questioned of the Knock out lost.. When Donaire moves up, What's the point of being a champion when every person says out there Donaire knock him out like ae tomato can?

[thrilla4rmanila]

Who said the loss would disappear? Almost every great fighter has lost, most by ko. Montiel Arce and Nonito could fight each other for the next 10 years and vic would still be considered # 1 unified champ. This is vics divison now.

your blinded by your pride homeboy and turning into one of them mexican fanatics...

watch vic got hit by a sledgehammer or are you too proud to endure vic chicken dance. lol.

[ragingvic]

[QUOTE=thrilla4rmanila;4275499]your blinded by your pride homeboy and turning into one of them mexican fanatics...

watch vic got hit by a sledgehammer or are you too proud to endure vic chicken dance. lol.

QUOTE]

why am i blinded by pride, because i stated the ovbious that vic is the # 1 guy at sfw.

[BennyST]

Of course the fact he lost, and lost so badly, to Donaire will be brought up always, unless they rematch and he wins next time. But, it really depends still on who keeps making the better opportunities of where they are now. Since that defeat so far it is still Vic that has made the better opportunities and has now done something never before in the history of the sport by unifying the SFW titles against one of the best P4P'ers in the world and a guy that was meant to easily beat him.

If Donaire keeps winning and dominating the division he is in and Vic keeps doing it eventually they may have to meet again. One: because Vic lost last time everyone will keep saying that he is better, and Two: even though Donaire beat him, it is Vic that is currently a much bigger champion with much greater accomplishments and who is now the unified champion of his second division.

All champions eventually lose, well, nearly all. If the guy they lose to is still fighting and winning with them, then that match up will always keep coming up. If they out-grow that particular fighter though, or if the other guy disappears or gets beaten himself by more mediocre opposition and never regains the status he once had then that loss becomes obsolete. It is dependent on both fighters, especially if one, as Vic is doing at the moment, is going on to bigger and better things and making more from the loss than the other guy that actually won.

Just look at an old fight. Kostya Tszyu was a huge up and coming prospect who had just won his first title in his 14th fight. A couple of fights later he fought a decent fighter Vince Phillips who beat him. Everyone said "Oh he's done" etc etc etc, but instead of Phillips going to become a great fighter it was Tszyu that made the opportunities and went on to become one of this generations greatest fighters, while Vince went back to relative obscurity. The loss is still a boon on his record and he never avenged it but he went on to beat opponents ten times greater and win so much more to the point where it really didn't matter.

What happens to both fighters depends on both fighters. What if Donaire goes up and loses to some guy that he was meant to beat and then loses again? What if Vic keeps winning and moves on to win in a third division? Too much gets played on one loss these days. There are a lot of Filipino's in this thread. Pac never went back and beat the guys that knocked him cold out did he, but he went on to bigger and better things and so that gets put out of consideration. You guys aren't calling him a bum that needs to go back and beat those two guys are you?

[Googler]

Hold on though, Vic was being clearly out boxed and had not won more than a round before the brutal KO. Donaire was separating himself from Vic with pure class. No doubt he is better now, but even with the Mijares victory, I don't see anything that Donaire couldn't time and KO again.

FTR, I am a big fan of Vic's.

~ time: 1:38 | referee: Eddie Claudio | judge: Steve Epstein 40-36 | judge: John McKaie 38-38 | judge: Don Trella 38-38 ~

These were the official scores during the time of stoppage. How was he being CLEARLY outboxed? I guess you know better than the judges.

[thrilla4rmanila]

~ time: 1:38 | referee: Eddie Claudio | judge: Steve Epstein 40-36 | judge: John McKaie 38-38 | judge: Don Trella 38-38 ~

These were the official scores during the time of stoppage. How was he being CLEARLY outboxed? I guess you know better than the judges.

OuCH!!!

Go tell them MEXICANS that because they obviously believe the judges on Pacquiao vs Marquez aren't needed because MEXICANS clearly believe Marquez won the fight.

So, Donaire wasn't really dominating that fight as we thought because a flashy boxer ALWAYS going to look dominant on Television compare to real live boxing.