23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

[Chase8400]

You could very easily do this same thing to Pac's resume. There are very few, if any, fighters that you couldn't do this to.

Go for it then. You will end up looking like a senseless idiot about half way through his title fights. Give er' a shot smartie pants.

[Chase8400]

Calzaghe will be in the HOF, no doubt. But an ATG? I don't think so. He did'nt fight the best fighters available until the end of his career.

A prime Toney @ 168 would beat Joe.
A prime Hopkins beats Calzaghe @ 168 as well.
A prime Jones would have Ko'd Joe.

How many fighters from that Era can be ATG's? I say 4 would be too many. 1 or 2 is enough. If Jones beats Joe, he has beaten everyone in that class and is the sole ATG from the group. Hopkins would be a close second, IMO.

[Mizzou]

!! Anorak breaks down the resume of Bernard Hopkins, a man that most consider an ATG:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188674

Like I said, you can do it to anyone.

Anorak is a little ***** who wouldn't defend his own mother if she was getting beaten and robbed.

[Mizzou]

I'm a Calzaghe fan and have watched him since he won the British Title, so I know what I'm talking about when it comes to how good he is, now would joe in his prime beat roy in his prime....... no I think roy in his prime was outstanding. Would joe beat a prime hopkins......yes I think he would have.

We could all sit here and tear any fighter's record apart with ease, even oscars....some might say he ducked winky.. others might say he got gift decisions....others might say his best wins were against old fighters. It's very easy to do.

Should calzaghe be an ATG for me at the moment I would say no but, fight dawson (which would clean out the division in my eyes) then retire and he would be. Alot of people want to see a Hopkins rematch.. why not, if hopkins wants to get revenge then come here and take less money.

Beat a prime Hopkins.........wow. Of course you're not biased.

[Mr. Philadel]

Anorak is a little ***** who wouldn't defend his own mother if she was getting beaten and robbed.

does anybody like that guy?

[hammerhiem]

Beat a prime Hopkins.........wow. Of course you're not biased.

Who isn't Biased?

I agree with you BHop would win but i don't think it's beyond the wit of man to justify Prime Cal beating Prime BHop.

[Mizzou]

Who isn't Biased?

I agree with you BHop would win but i don't think it's beyond the wit of man to justify Prime Cal beating Prime BHop.

He couldn't hurt a 43 year old Hop. In fact any damage in the fight was done by Hop. Calzaghe "won" on workrate, that's it. Not impressive boxing skills, nothing. He won doing a bunch of windmill slaps. He did not win the power punching percentage, I dont give a damn what compubox said. Calzaghe chose to fight noone during his "prime" and that's his own damn fault. Hopkins would wipe the map with his pasty british ass as little as five years ago. Don't bring up Pavlik either, he was a middleweight who turned out to be a bit too high on the pedestool.

[Mr. Philadel]

He couldn't hurt a 43 year old Hop. In fact any damage in the fight was done by Hop. Calzaghe "won" on workrate, that's it. Not impressive boxing skills, nothing. He won doing a bunch of windmill slaps. He did not win the power punching percentage, I dont give a damn what compubox said. Calzaghe chose to fight noone during his "prime" and that's his own damn fault. Hopkins would wipe the map with his pasty british ass as little as five years ago. Don't bring up Pavlik either, he was a middleweight who turned out to be a bit too high on the pedestool.

Calzaghe got skills you can't deny that.......but I agree with everything else

[steptwome]

..........b.u.m.p

[Welter_Skelter]

Dissecting Joe's Great 23

1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.

It is a pretty ****ty resume.. Isn't it??...