Explain to me what's so great about Hopkins's middleweight resume...

**Sir_Joe** · 06-15-2008, 10:36 AM

Sad thing is, he also drew with Segundo Mercado once.

His resume @ Middleweight is quite ****ty.

**TommyGunn.** · 06-15-2008, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by !! Anorak

... cos I keep hearing about how he fought a HOF comp and how Calzaghe only fought "euro bum's" (even though during Joe's title defences at SMW he fought more Americans than any other nation - fact). Joe's resume ain't THAT bad. Anyone who thinks even an old Eubank or a prime Reid (an olympic medallist and world champion) were "bums" knows **** all IMO. It ain't GREAT, but I don't see any difference between his reign and Hopkins's. Seriously.

Let's have a look:

Segundo Mercado - Who the **** is this guy?
Steve Frank - Who the **** is this?
Joe Lipsey - Who the **** is this?
William Bo James - Who the **** is this?
John David Jackson - Who the **** is this?
Glen Johnson - Yeah, I know this guy. Pretty good win, but he's not stellar, is he? What did ever go on to do, majorly? He was never THE man at lh, was he? He beat a shot Roy and then got a gift against Tarver. But a good win, nonetheless.
Andrew Council - Who the **** is this?
Simon Brown - Who the **** is this?
Robert Allen - Just a mediocre kind of guy. Also, one of the three bouts was a NC, so how the **** did Hopkins do "20 defences" when one was a NC????

Antwun Echols - Twice. Who the...
Syd Vanderpool - Yeah, I kind of know this guy.
Keith Holmes - Who the **** is this?
Felix Trinidad - A natural Welterweight who achieved **** all at middle
Carl Daniels - See Syd Vanderpool.
Morrade Hakkar - Who the **** is this?
William Joppy - The guy who got beat by Trinidad and could have been beat by Eastman if he'd got his act together earlier? Still, semi-decent win there, at least a middle, if a little one.
Oscar De La Hoya - You gotta be kidding me, right? A natural lightweight who looked as if he'd lost his only other middleweight bout? And this is his career-defining win? What does that define it as - a guy who feasts on midgets?
Howard Eastman - A decent enough contender, if not stellar, this guy had Joppy's number but didn't ring it. Hopkins fought him like a *****. There's hitting and not getting hit, and running like a gay.
Jermain Taylor - Sad Intentions went on record as saying he was jealous of Shannon Briggs's stamina. Still beat Hopkins twice.

His two wins over Welterweights. LOL!

**-Swizzy-** · 06-15-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Sir_Joe

Sad thing is, he also drew with Segundo Mercado once.

His resume @ Middleweight is quite ****ty.

he didn't just draw, but I think mercado also dropped him a couple of times in the first fight. all this does is prove calzaghe's crappiness cuz hopkins is still the best name on calzaghe's resume and he was 43 years old.

**-Hyperion-** · 06-15-2008, 10:41 AM

john david jackson and simon brown were good...maybe even near the level of reid......2 years before hopkins got to them that is......Hopkins' resume is not really good....

**TommyGunn.** · 06-15-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by kswizzy99

he didn't just draw, but I think mercado also dropped him a couple of times in the first fight. all this does is prove calzaghe's crappiness cuz hopkins is still the best name on calzaghe's resume and he was 43 years old.

You'd have a point if Nard had actualy beat him. LOL!

**MANGLER** · 06-15-2008, 10:44 AM

He gets props for the length of his title reign at 160, not the quality of the guys he fought. Same wit Joe C at 168. Not a lot of big names at all, but you can't be champ that long without doin sumthin right.

**THe TRiNiTY** · 06-15-2008, 10:44 AM

Sometimes, it's not who you do it against, it's what you do.

You don't have to like the guy, but he did rule a SLIGHTLY above average division for close to, if not an entire decade. Regardles of what you're doing, let a lone in boxing, that's impressive.

**Guest** · 06-15-2008, 10:45 AM

People are obsessed with "names". Hopkins is the biggest "name" Joe ever fought... but if a "name" is someone like Oscar (at middleweight) then what's in a "name"?

**Guest** · 06-15-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by mangler

He gets props for the length of his title reignat 160, not the quality of the guys he fought. Same wit Joe C at 168. Not a lot of big names at all, but you can't be champ that long without doin sumthin right.

This is the thing... Fat Yanks in general respect one and not the other. I don't really see the difference.

Explain to me what's so great about Hopkins's middleweight resume...