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  • Originally posted by steptwome View Post
    Dissecting Joe's Great 23

    1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
    2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
    3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
    4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
    5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
    8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
    6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
    7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
    but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
    8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
    9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
    10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
    11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
    12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
    13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
    14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
    15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
    16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
    17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
    18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
    19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
    20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
    21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
    22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
    Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
    23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.
    Wowoweeeeeeeee.

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    • He wears an all time great's jersey while training!

      Now, Michael Jordan is an ALL TIME Great. Muhammad Ali, Ray Leonard, Willie Pep....those are ATG's. Joe Calzaghe....all time great? I don't think so. He's an all time great Brit....

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      • Originally posted by MikeBrew328 View Post


        He wears an all time great's jersey while training!
        Now, Michael Jordan is an ALL TIME Great. Muhammad Ali, Ray Leonard, Willie Pep....those are ATG's. Joe Calzaghe....all time great? I don't think so. He's an all time great Brit....
        LOL............

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        • and many like to say B-Hop's defenses are SLIGHTLY better then Calzaghe's.



          B1tch please...

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          • He's probably not an ATG Brit either.

            Bobby Moore, Gareth Edwards, Roger Bannister, Jim Clark.

            He's up there in the top 50 probably and only one of 3-4 boxers on the list.

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            • What defines an all time great?

              Imo Calzaghe will be remembered as a good fighter who simply waited too long to start fighting good/great American fighters.

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              • Originally posted by hammerhiem View Post
                He's probably not an ATG Brit either.

                Bobby Moore, Gareth Edwards, Roger Bannister, Jim Clark.

                He's up there in the top 50 probably and only one of 3-4 boxers on the list.
                Be careful what you say about zaghe. Many of his fans are overly sensitive

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                • Originally posted by Derranged View Post
                  What defines an all time great?

                  Imo Calzaghe will be remembered as a good fighter who simply waited too long to start fighting good/great American fighters.
                  .......................Bump

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                  • Originally posted by Derranged View Post
                    What defines an all time great?

                    Imo Calzaghe will be remembered as a good fighter who simply waited too long to start fighting good/great American fighters.
                    best way to sum it up

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                    • Originally posted by Mizzou View Post
                      Beat a prime Hopkins.........wow. Of course you're not biased.

                      Listen I don't care about where a fighters from or what colour they are as long as they are entertaining. Too many people on here try and dismantle fighters records when they have never done anything in there own life worth mentioning. I read coments from people like you everyday slagging off this fighter or that fighter, get a grip of your self and grow up.

                      Now back to point I will try and explain quickly why I believe calzaghe would beat a prime hopkins and if you still don't agree fine but at leat give valid reason instead of putdowns. Prime hopkins liked to come forward and was easier to hit and prime calzaghe loved people to come onto him instead of having to chase them round the ring. Hopkins game plan worked for the first 3 or 4 rounds against calzaghe and you could see how uncomfortable calzaghe was at coming forward and leading off. A prime hopkins would hunt calzaghe which would lead to much better exchanges between the too, with hopkins easier too hit than he was in april. This is where I think calzaghe speed would shine. Now that's my opinion on what could of happened around 2001 :boxingbut we will never know as hopkins went back on an already agreed fight with calzaghe and that is on recored!!!

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