23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

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  • steptwome
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    23 reasons why Calzaghe isn't an ALL TIME GREAT

    Dissecting Joe's Great 23

    1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
    2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
    3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
    4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
    5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
    8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
    6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
    7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
    but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
    8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
    9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
    10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
    11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
    12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
    13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
    14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
    15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
    16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
    17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
    18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
    19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
    20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
    21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
    22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
    Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
    23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.
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    Originally posted by steptwome
    Dissecting Joe's Great 23.....defenses?

    1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
    2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
    3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
    4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
    5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
    8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
    6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
    7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
    but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
    8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
    9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
    10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
    11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
    12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
    13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
    14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
    15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
    16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
    17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
    18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
    19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
    20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
    21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
    22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
    Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
    23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.
    ........Wow as if half of them weren't sleep walking into the ring already.

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    • Silencers
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      #3
      A lot of fighters' resume can be negatively dissected.

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      • Flawless 2
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        #4
        23 reasons why this thread is an ATG

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        • Clegg
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          #5
          That post is not the most factual thing I've ever seen. Did you write it yourself?

          Anyway, you can't prove a negative.

          It's for those who think that Calzaghe is an ATG to prove their case. The burden of proof lies with them, not his critics.

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          • T-97
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            #6
            You could do this to many great fighters resumes..

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            • larryx
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              #7
              man come on we know joe's not an atg..but this thread is gonna get flooded by joe nutthuggers who will swear he can fly...i guarantee 2 things..floyd and hopkins will be brought up some how sum way

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              • Duke McKenzie_
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                Originally posted by steptwome
                18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
                And yet you neglect to mention that Calzaghe broke his hand in this fight and had to rely on the jab?

                For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
                It's quite clear that Lacy isn't the same fighter anymore.

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                • steptwome
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Silencers
                  A lot of fighters' resume can be negatively dissected.
                  What's negative. These are facts. You can't positively put a twist on facts.

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                  • Luke.l.08
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                    #10
                    1 reason why you wrote this......

                    YOUR A LOSER

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