Should Andrade have a KO12 win over Bute?

[Red_Menace]

It's not the best way to win a fight, but Bute won.

If you look up the IBF rules which are available on their website, it sounds like the ref actually did exactly what he's supposed to do:

"4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the
standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner."

"6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor."

So, it sounds to me like the situation was handled correctly. We may have different opinions about how it should be done, but those are the rules. It definitely tarnishes the win, and we'll probably get a rematch, but I think the correct decision was made.

[Red_Menace]

by the rules though, he wasnt even up, he was leaning on the corner......the ref didnt ask him to walk or asked him if he was ok, nothig, that was a KO....

I don't see anything in the IBF rules that says the fighter can't lean on the corners, and it doesn't say he has to be able to continue. All he has to do is rise and get his gloves off the floor.

The bout rules are here: http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

[ACHlLLES]

I don't see anything in the IBF rules that says the fighter can't lean on the corners, and it doesn't say he has to be able to continue. All he has to do is rise and get his gloves off the floor.

The bout rules are here: http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf

Bute wins, people are just ****s.

[mrpain81]

Bute went down with five seconds left in the round. He beat the ten count. There was no time left on the clock when he got up, so the fight was over. The ref was horse****, but Bute was the rightful winner.

Great minds think alike

[raabd]

Bute did beat the count, but if the ref started the count immediately (like he should have) the count would have been over sooner and would have given andrade more time to come in and knock him out cold. Im sure other refs would have stopped it, bute had NOTHING left.

[ACHlLLES]

Bute did beat the count, but if the ref started the count immediately (like he should have) the count would have been over sooner and would have given andrade more time to come in and knock him out cold. Im sure other refs would have stopped it, bute had NOTHING left.

No, it depends on the ref and I don't think most would have stopped it since Bute was winning by points pretty comfortably... Andrade had only won the 5th round before the 12th.

It's not like Bute would have been dead if he was knocked down or out again if the ref hadn't taken so much time. Give the boxer who is winning the fight a benefit of the doubt.

[Red_Menace]

Bute did beat the count, but if the ref started the count immediately (like he should have) the count would have been over sooner and would have given andrade more time to come in and knock him out cold. Im sure other refs would have stopped it, bute had NOTHING left.

So in fairness you want the ref to disobey the IBF fight rules that I posted? You can argue that the rules need to be changed, but it looks like the rules were applied fairly.

[hammerhiem]

Hard to say definitivly, He might have been able to look good enough for the ref knowing that there was 2-3 seconds left to left the fight go on.

It's not like he was sparked on the floor for 30 seconds, he was up but wobbly by the time the ref even started the count.

[raabd]

So in fairness you want the ref to disobey the IBF fight rules that I posted? You can argue that the rules need to be changed, but it looks like the rules were applied fairly.

I don't give a **** about any sanctioning body rules or belts, im taking about the way boxing is conducted in general. Guys goes down u quickly tell the fighter to go to their corner and start the count immediately. Do all the fighters stay in the corner completely, of course they don't. Fighters take a couple of steps forward, that's how boxing is, who cares what the ibf says. You can tell this ref had weird intentions. He awarded bute a knockdown when it was a clear slip and consistently warned andrade of clinching when bute was the one holding all the time. If u wanna says thems is the rules of the ibf and they should be obeyed, then I will say this is whats wrong with boxing.

[ACHlLLES]

He awarded bute a knockdown when it was a clear slip and consistently warned andrade of clinching when bute was the one holding all the time. If u wanna says thems is the rules of the ibf and they should be obeyed, then I will say this is whats wrong with boxing.

I don't know why the ref awarded Bute the knock down when it was a slip, but that wouldn't have effected the fight anyways at that point since Andrade lost every single round except the 5th.