Should Andrade have a KO12 win over Bute?

[Taranazan]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JGM6WAfosj0

TKO for Andrade, no question about it.

Bute had to support himself on the ropes to avoid hitting the canvas earlier (look at 0:18!! in that clip), he was all over the show and not throwing anything back but taking massive hits. For his own safety he should have been pulled out of there.


Andrade won the fight but lost the decision to some shocking refereeing

If you look again, you may notice that he reason why Bute was "supporting himself" on the ropes is that Andrade pushed him with his right hand on the back of the head. In the 20 last seconds, only 2 punches hit Bute straight. One of them could be called "massive hit" (the one before Bute move back to the other corner). Andrade really wasn't accurate. I'd have understood if the ref had stopped the fight, but the decision he made wasn't that bad either.

[S A M U R A I]

I don't know why the ref awarded Bute the knock down when it was a slip, but that wouldn't have effected the fight anyways at that point since Andrade lost every single round except the 5th.

Wasn't that his gameplan? Andrade KNEW he couldn't outbox Bute, so he left it until Bute was tired enough to be knocked out, which is exactly what he did. That was the plan, I am sure of it.


If the fight had carried on, Bute's health would have been in extremely serious danger. A single hard shot would have put his lights out completely. He's lucky, to say the least. He couldn't even walk back to his corner properly, long after the fight had finished.

So, while he may have been up with 8 seconds or whatever it actually was, he was clearly unfit to continue.



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I think EVERY SINGLE POSTER in this thread should edit their posts and confess who they were rooting for in addition to what they think should've been ruled.

I wasn't rooting for anyone. Totally unbiased here.

My opinion is that Andrade should have won the fight. Even the referee said himself that, if it wasn't for Andrade coming out of his corner, he would have ruled it a KO.

All of this depends on what you want to call "being out of the corner". Andrade was a few feet away from the ring post, I think. He certainly wasn't inside the televised view, and nowhere near close to Bute. The referee was being unnecessarily picky and it looks to me (a neutral, non-biased viewer) that the ref was doing Bute favors at least a couple of times during the fight.

By the way, it was early in the fight when I said to my girlfriend (who was also watching) that Bute was gonna get KO'd late. I KNEW IT.



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[Ray*]

I wasn't rooting for anyone. Totally unbiased here.

My opinion is that Andrade should have won the fight. Even the referee said himself that, if it wasn't for Andrade coming out of his corner, he would have ruled it a KO. All of this depends on what you want to call "being out of the corner". Andrade was a few feet away from the ring post, I think. He certainly wasn't inside the televised view, and nowhere near close to Bute. The referee was being unnecessarily picky and it looks to me (a neutral, non-biased viewer) that the ref was doing Bute favors at least a couple of times during the fight.

By the way, it was early in the fight when I said to my girlfriend (who was also watching) that Bute was gonna get KO'd late. I KNEW IT.

He only said that because of the guy who did the interview, The guy suggest to the referee that does he think he has caused andrade a KO, In which the referee replied no that "andrade cause himself a KO"....

The man should have been stopped earlier on because Bute was totally out of it and the referee's excuse about the neutral corner was totally biased but Bute made the count and survives.

[ACHlLLES]

I was rooting for bute, but he beat the count anyways so I think he wins.

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Beating a count is only half the story. He was in no state to continue and if there had been any more time on the clock to fight, I would have been totally disgusted at any referee allowing a fighter to risk his health, possibly being killed.

Put it this way, if Andrade was in the state Bute was in, how many of you think the fight would have been stopped?



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[ACHlLLES]

It takes a **** load of heart to get back up when spending your stamina completely. Butes chin and body are fine, I think he wasted his stamina winning rounds. There wasn't any time left on the clock for Andrade to do anything more, and I believe the right man won. Andrade looked like poop the entire fight only winning round 5. I'm not going to cry a river for him, he should learn to be more technically sound. Get a new trainer or something.

In rematch Bute probably will train his stamina better, or pick his shots better and not waste his punches as much as he did. Plus, in a rematch he might want to choose to have a ref that will allow him to clinch at times through 12 rounds. I noticed in the 11th round when the ref told them to stop clinching thats when Bute was getting caught cleanly.


Andrade wins on the chin, and stamina department but his skills suck balls.

[Porter's Dad]

I'm not sure.

On one hand, I think Andrade deserves it, because he destroyed Bute in that last round and basically, if there had been time on the clock, the fight would have been stopped. Added to the fact that the **** of a ref tried to **** him over. So morally, I would totally go for Andrade.

But then, Bute did get up earlier than 10 seconds from when he hit the floor, regardless of the actions of the ref. As there was no time left, I don't know if him not being in a fit state to carry on and fight (which he clearly wasn't) is relevant.

I think Andrade deserved it (I don't care what happened in the previous 11 rounds, a KO negates that).

Regardless, some of the worst refereeing I have ever seen.

[Ray*]

Beating a count is only half the story. He was in no state to continue and if there had been any more time on the clock to fight, I would have been totally disgusted at any referee allowing a fighter to risk his health, possibly being killed.

Put it this way, if Andrade was in the state Bute was in, how many of you think the fight would have been stopped?

I agree with that bit and i still feel like the ref should have stopped the fight even before the last KD and am pretty sure if it was the other way round the ref would have use that opportunity to stop the fight like the ref in the chavez/Taylor fight.