taylor and calzaghe didnt beat hopkins..hopkins beat hopkins

[larryx]

people please understand im not discrediting taylor or calzaghe..the blame is on hopkins..he didnt let his hands go(its mustve been for a reason) similar to jones-tarver-3

[larryx]

I don't understand how people argue "Cazaghe never touched Hopkins" then actually think Taylor beat Hopkins the first time. Calzaghe landed WAY more punches then Taylor did the first time, even though he barely landed.

oh joe touched him..and i had hopkins winning the first fight with taylor and felt the 11th round cost him in the second fight

[Chase8400]

This is a catch 22. If B-hop beat himself in those fights, then Pavlik beat himself against B-hop. I choose to believe, for whatever reason, that they just had either off nights or the styles of their opponents were just not right for them.

We go back to the style making fights..........again. It's just too true. No way around it.

Example? Sure............

Everyone knows Roy Jones is better than Tarver and Glen Johnson in every imaginable aspect of boxing, but they were able to give him trouble. (mainly Tarver) There is pretty much a counter style for every style there is. Period.

Ali & Frazier
Foreman(prime) & Ali
Tyson & Lennox
Trinidad & B-hop
Trinidad & Wright
Vitali & Peter

..............and the list goes on and on.

[larryx]

This is a catch 22. If B-hop beat himself in those fights, then Pavlik beat himself against B-hop. I choose to believe, for whatever reason, that they just had either off nights or the styles of their opponents were just not right for them.

We go back to the style making fights..........again. It's just too true. No way around it.

Example? Sure............

Everyone knows Roy Jones is better than Tarver and Glen Johnson in every imaginable aspect of boxing, but they were able to give him trouble. (mainly Tarver) There is pretty much a counter style for every style there is. Period.

Ali & Frasier
Foreman(prime) & Ali
Tyson & Lennox
B-hop & Trinidad
Wright & Trinidad
Vitali & Peter

..............and the list goes on and on.

true true..i think pavliks dumb ass game plan to knock out hopkins helped him get his ass whooped even worse

[The Gully Gad]

people please understand im not discrediting taylor or calzaghe..the blame is on hopkins..he didnt let his hands go(its mustve been for a reason) similar to jones-tarver-3

He got swarmed against Joe mate..
He couldnt let his hands go cuz he would of got belted left right and centre..

[larryx]

He got swarmed against Joe mate..
He couldnt let his hands go cuz he would of got belted left right and centre..

true but he wouldve had a better chance to ko joe..but he wasnt killing to take 2 to give 1..bad match up

[Chase8400]

true true..i think pavliks dumb ass game plan to knock out hopkins helped him get his ass whooped even worse

Def. hard to argue that point.

[The Gully Gad]

true but he wouldve had a better chance to ko joe..but he wasnt killing to take 2 to give 1..bad match up

Exactly son...
He would of took 5 or 6 to land 1

[Pullcounter]

The fact that he dominated Pavlik tells me only one thing: Hopkins knows the fight game, and he knows it inside out.

He knew full well that he couldn't beat Taylor or Joe by adopting the same style he did against Pavlik, that's why he was on the defensive all night in both fights.

Pavlik fought the wrong guy, Hopkins loves fighting one dimensional fighters, they make him look better than he is at his advanced age (not to take any credit away from him, he did a number on Pavlik, something not even Taylor could do)

The fact remains, if Hopkins had that performance left in him, why didn't he produce it against Joe? Maybe it's because he understands a lot more about boxing and styles than you do...

You don't think Hopkins could've potshotted Pavlik with ease?

Hopkins did lose to Taylor and Calzaghe though, because he didn't use the right style: throw combinations.

[MANGLER]

Any of those fights coulda been draws or close Hopkins victories. Hopkins always had the strong rds wit the cleaner, harder shots landed, but he was toos elective and lost those fights on the sheer basis of bein outworked. Taylor and Joe C hardly landed anything clean and effective on B-Hop, they just impressed the judges by throwin more shots.