Hopkins performance was a tribute to Joe Calzaghe

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DO you think Calzaghe would Lacy Pavlik then?

Without a shadow of a doubt.



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that said, notice Hopkins was beating Pavlik from pillar to post and Pavlik wasn't down once. The first hard shot Hopkins caught Calzghe with, he went down.

Yes, it's called a flash knockdown. I don't want to take away credit from Hopkins where credit is due, it was a beauty of a punch, but Calzaghe's chin is immense and he wasn't actually hurt by the shot, only briefly embarrassed by being caught cold in the first round.

As I said elsewhere, it's not how you get knocked down, it's how you pick your ass up off the floor and recover that counts.

To add another point, Pavlik was almost knocked out. Joe didn't even come close to being knocked out.

Had the Hopkins-Pavlik fight continued for one more round, Pavlik would have been flat on his back.

I can't say the same about Hopkins-Calzaghe.



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[Kris Silver]

There are 2 different Hopkins. the one that tried to win fights with his slickness against Calzaghe. And the one that beat Pavlik with combination. If Hopkins put punches together like he did against Pavlik against Calzghe, he'd have beaten Calzaghe...

in fairness to Joe though, pavlik is slow and lumbering and a whole different type of fighter.

that said, notice Hopkins was beating Pavlik from pillar to post and Pavlik wasn't down once. The first hard shot Hopkins caught Calzghe with, he went down.

Hops had two great wins before Joe, one after, and it's just Joe he had a bad performance in, no not even he says that.

Calzaghe got caught early by an aggressive punch with a few combinations and quickly adapted his movement to avoid getting tagged. That's something Pavlik couldn't do, he was just there to be hit and not even countering much or well.

Calzaghe's movement, speed and preference for a guy coming to him meant Hops could not fight the same fight he could against a more limited Pavlik.

There's no excuses any more, Calzaghe beat a still elite top p4p guy in Hopkins whom outside of that is beating fellow top guys. Result being, Calzaghe's deservedly the top guy, and is #3 p4p.

[hookoutofhell]

good posts F-R-K-O calzaghe was KD but it was a flash KD and he was never really hurt, in fact go back and watch the KD on youtube. once bernard lands the punch he actually leans on joe and because of poor balance he goes down. like you said though it joe had an embarassed look on his face like he had just got reckless, he didn't look hurt. Pavlik on the other hand looked hurt in rounds 2 and 7.

alot of fighters were predicting bernard to come out on top, DLH, margarito, sugar shane all had bernard as the favourte going in. that didn't surprise me these guys know the game and know the sport of boxing, imo they could see past the hype job and realised that Pavlik was a creation of the networks and his promoter.

plus abraham made some interesting comments before the fight - saying tht he had wanted to be the first to give Pavlik a loss.
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[RisAri0]

There are 2 different Hopkins. the one that tried to win fights with his slickness against Calzaghe. And the one that beat Pavlik with combination. If Hopkins put punches together like he did against Pavlik against Calzghe, he'd have beaten Calzaghe..

there's no 2 different Hopkins or any fighter for that matter...styles make fights!
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[Nicky_Hatton]

There are 2 different Hopkins. the one that tried to win fights with his slickness against Calzaghe. And the one that beat Pavlik with combination. If Hopkins put punches together like he did against Pavlik against Calzghe, he'd have beaten Calzaghe...

in fairness to Joe though, pavlik is slow and lumbering and a whole different type of fighter.

that said, notice Hopkins was beating Pavlik from pillar to post and Pavlik wasn't down once. The first hard shot Hopkins caught Calzghe with, he went down.

Are you taking the piss?

That really is a deluded comment.

[Pullcounter]

Yes, it's called a flash knockdown. I don't want to take away credit from Hopkins where credit is due, it was a beauty of a punch, but Calzaghe's chin is immense and he wasn't actually hurt by the shot, only briefly embarrassed by being caught cold in the first round.

As I said elsewhere, it's not how you get knocked down, it's how you pick your ass up off the floor and recover that counts.

To add another point, Pavlik was almost knocked out. Joe didn't even come close to being knocked out.

Had the Hopkins-Pavlik fight continued for one more round, Pavlik would have been flat on his back.

I can't say the same about Hopkins-Calzaghe.

I get what you're saying, it was a flash knockdown and Calzaghe was never out on his feet, but if Hopkins throws combinations against Calzaghe it would totally change the dimensions of the fight.

Hopkins can and did land the right hand on Calzaghe. Steward called it himself, if Hopkins only threw the left hook after the right hand that'd have been a real game changer and IMHO lead to a possible tKO.

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good posts F-R-K-O

Thank you.

I'm not so sure about Hopkins leaning on Calzaghe. It certainly looks like that, but having seen the punch from multiple angles I don't actually think Bernard did lean on him. I have a theory that Joe was expecting a headbutt at that point and was caught by surprise by Bernard coming forward.

Still, definitely a flash KD. Not a big deal. The adjustments Calzaghe made in that fight were just awesome. He may not throw every punch with killer instict, and indeed, due to his injured hands he can slap a bit, but what he lacks in that department he certainly makes up for in other areas. Calzaghe is elite, no question from me.



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[S A M U R A I]

I get what you're saying, it was a flash knockdown and Calzaghe was never out on his feet, but if Hopkins throws combinations against Calzaghe it would totally change the dimensions of the fight.

You can say that, and you may be right, but he didn't do it and he lost. People should move on. Joe deserved his win, as ugly as the fight was.



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[Nicky_Hatton]

Thank you.

I'm not so sure about Hopkins leaning on Calzaghe. It certainly looks like that, but having seen the punch from multiple angles I don't actually think Bernard did lean on him. I have a theory that Joe was expecting a headbutt at that point and was caught by surprise by Bernard coming forward.

Still, definitely a flash KD. Not a big deal. The adjustments Calzaghe made in that fight were just awesome. He may not throw every punch with killer instict, and indeed, due to his injured hands he can slap a bit, but what he lacks in that department he certainly makes up for in other areas. Calzaghe is elite, no question from me.

I don't buyt into that, it was a legit knockdown, but it was a flash kd, more a combination of off balance, than a really hard punch. Hence why Calzaghe got up immediately, and looked pissed off about it. Kessler delivered worse, and Joe took it on his feet.