Why didn't Hopkins dominate Calzaghe?

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  • The Gully Gad
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    #31
    He wasnt able to dominate Joe because Joe is a different style altogether then Pavlic.
    The win does make Joe go up a bit though dosent it? lol i aint even a Joe fan but theres no denying that it makes him look better considering what Hop has just done to Pav

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    • Mr. Philadel
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      #32
      Originally posted by starjammer
      So would one concede that Calzaghe was a great fighter to give Bernard so much trouble where Tarver (coming off 2 Jones wins and 1 Johnson), Wright (coming off a Taylor draw) and Pavlik (coming off 2 Taylor wins) could not.
      Norton troubled Ali, but do you consider him great? Buster Douglass troubled Tyson, but do you consider him great? Tarver troubled RJJ, but do you consider Tarver great? Joe Calzaghe is an EXCELLENT fighter.....noone and I mean NOONE can ever take that away from him or his supporters......but the man is not a GREAT.....at least not yet!

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      • Drunk Punch
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        #33
        Because even a past his prime Calzaghe is a couple of classes above the robotic but hard hitting Pavlik.

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        • boxaholic
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          #34
          Cuz Calzaghe is not a blown up Welterweight.

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          • lparm
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            #35
            Originally posted by The Gully Gad
            He wasnt able to dominate Joe because Joe is a different style altogether then Pavlic.
            The win does make Joe go up a bit though dosent it? lol i aint even a Joe fan but theres no denying that it makes him look better considering what Hop has just done to Pav
            Exactly, the difference was with Tarver, Pav, and to a lesser extent Winky they never adapted during the fight. If you watch it again the Hop that beat Pav was the same guy against Cal but Joe changed things up and made Hop fight his fight. I think Tarver has no clue what to do with someone with speed that keeps bullying him, Pav has some limitations but he's young enough to hopefully fix them, and Winky was effected alot by the cut and over the years Wright stopped being the defensive master and now likes to slug it out. Calzaghe is the only one and that includes JT that has given Hop different looks since RJJ. That's why Hop couldn't dominate him.

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            • MikeBrew328
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              #36
              Freddie Roach. I'm convinced.

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              • C.Y.
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                #37
                probably cuz they had better hand speed.. i still think bhop beat calzaghe

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                • Pullcounter
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by starjammer
                  Like he dominated Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Just want to know.

                  Thank you.
                  Hopkins stopped throwing combnations after DLH. The difference between the version of HOpkins that beat Pavlik and the Hopkins that lost a close fight to Calzaghe is that Hopkins tried to win fights with slicknes and without punching.

                  Also styles makes fight and Calzaghe is an awkward windmilling fighter.

                  that said, if Hopkins throws combinations against Calzghe he'd beat Calzaghe too.

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                  • The Hammer
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by starjammer
                    Like he dominated Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Just want to know.

                    Thank you.
                    Because Calzaghe is more adaptable and multi-dimensional than Pavlik. And obviously, Calzaghe has much greater handspeed.

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                    • T-97
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                      #40
                      Hopkins has trouble with speed.

                      Calzaghe has more speed than the other fighters listed.

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