Why didn't Hopkins dominate Calzaghe?

[Truth]

like others have said in this thread, Nard struggles with fast fighters. Its not to say he can't beat any fast fighters, but its harder ecspecially at over 40 years old.

[starjammer]

So would one concede that Calzaghe was a great fighter to give Bernard so much trouble where Tarver (coming off 2 Jones wins and 1 Johnson), Wright (coming off a Taylor draw) and Pavlik (coming off 2 Taylor wins) could not.

[hookoutofhell]

calzaghe didn't win hopkins due to his speed but more due to his stamina, boxing brain and footwork.

kelly is an orthodox figter and he is very crude he is simple and does the basics very well. thats how hes accomplished so much but if pavlik had gone up against any other fighter who had any decent knowledge of the game like a calzaghe, hopkins, dawson, tarver, RJJ or kessler i would have bet on him to lose.

kelly sets his feet and then pumps out his jab, bernard in the first half of the fight threw short sharp left hooks as he was stepping in prevent kelly from getting his jab out. in the second half bernard would either throw his counter right over the jab or just move to the right so Kelly couldn't land his right hand straight after.

JC is different - in fact hes proabably the best in ring tactician in boxing right now. he made Bernard think and fight at a higher pace but constantly being switched on forcing Hopkins to make a mov and then counter it. JC beat Hopkins by pumping out one jab and then waiting for the counter before lauching a flurry of punches. He would dart in and out of range and therefore not allow Hopkins to set up his traps or his punches, he would use feints to create openings and then move in and then flurry and move back again.

bascially JC is twice the fighter that pavlik will ever be and the fact that some people thought that pavlik would even be competitive with JC is a joke.

as for Hopkins i have to give him huge credit i thought he would win but i thought it would be via SD, i thought Kelly might take a few rounds but bernard just completely shut him out.

bernard vs dawson anyone?
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[ACHlLLES]

So would one concede that Calzaghe was a great fighter to give Bernard so much trouble where Tarver (coming off 2 Jones wins and 1 Johnson), Wright (coming off a Taylor draw) and Pavlik (coming off 2 Taylor wins) could not.

Did you even watch the Winky fight? That wasn't one-sided at all....

[starjammer]

calzaghe didn't win hopkins due to his speed but more due to his stamina, boxing brain and footwork.

kelly is an orthodox figter and he is very crude he is simple and does the basics very well. thats how hes accomplished so much but if pavlik had gone up against any other fighter who had any decent knowledge of the game like a calzaghe, hopkins, dawson, tarver, RJJ or kessler i would have bet on him to lose.

kelly sets his feet and then pumps out his jab, bernard in the first half of the fight threw short sharp left hooks as he was stepping in prevent kelly from getting his jab out. in the second half bernard would either throw his counter right over the jab or just move to the right so Kelly couldn't land his right hand straight after.

JC is different - in fact hes proabably the best in ring tactician in boxing right now. he made Bernard think and fight at a higher pace but constantly being switched on forcing Hopkins to make a mov and then counter it. JC beat Hopkins by pumping out one jab and then waiting for the counter before lauching a flurry of punches. He would dart in and out of range and therefore not allow Hopkins to set up his traps or his punches, he would use feints to create openings and then move in and then flurry and move back again.

bascially JC is twice the fighter that pavlik will ever be and the fact that some people thought that pavlik would even be competitive with JC is a joke.

as for Hopkins i have to give him huge credit i thought he would win but i thought it would be via SD, i thought Kelly might take a few rounds but bernard just completely shut him out.

bernard vs dawson anyone?

Excellent post. Not a hint of bias in it.

[starjammer]

Did you even watch the Winky fight? That wasn't one-sided at all....

lol, alright you caught me out. I'm just trying to demonstrate that he beat all 3 fighters. The wright one wasn't a domination. He won by a couple - few points, can't remember my score, but it was close. He did completely **** Winky over though - took him right out of his zone.

[Kris Silver]

How about this radical idea, that some find it difficult to come to terms with...

Calzaghe's better?

Weird, who'd have thought.

[CardioMonster]

Pavlik was always a second rate fighter. The only people he looks good against are those who stand in front of him and let him throw them crude punches.

Ive been saying he was a bum the whole time, but now the whole world has seen him get exposed

[Ryn0]

calzaghe didn't win hopkins due to his speed but more due to his stamina, boxing brain and footwork.

kelly is an orthodox figter and he is very crude he is simple and does the basics very well. thats how hes accomplished so much but if pavlik had gone up against any other fighter who had any decent knowledge of the game like a calzaghe, hopkins, dawson, tarver, RJJ or kessler i would have bet on him to lose.

kelly sets his feet and then pumps out his jab, bernard in the first half of the fight threw short sharp left hooks as he was stepping in prevent kelly from getting his jab out. in the second half bernard would either throw his counter right over the jab or just move to the right so Kelly couldn't land his right hand straight after.

JC is different - in fact hes proabably the best in ring tactician in boxing right now. he made Bernard think and fight at a higher pace but constantly being switched on forcing Hopkins to make a mov and then counter it. JC beat Hopkins by pumping out one jab and then waiting for the counter before lauching a flurry of punches. He would dart in and out of range and therefore not allow Hopkins to set up his traps or his punches, he would use feints to create openings and then move in and then flurry and move back again.

bascially JC is twice the fighter that pavlik will ever be and the fact that some people thought that pavlik would even be competitive with JC is a joke.

as for Hopkins i have to give him huge credit i thought he would win but i thought it would be via SD, i thought Kelly might take a few rounds but bernard just completely shut him out.

bernard vs dawson anyone?

Great post I would give green k but I've given out too much in the last 24 hours

[Porter's Dad]

So would one concede that Calzaghe was a great fighter to give Bernard so much trouble where Tarver (coming off 2 Jones wins and 1 Johnson), Wright (coming off a Taylor draw) and Pavlik (coming off 2 Taylor wins) could not.

If one would also then say Jermaine Taylor was a great, great fighter too.

Styles make fights, man. That was it comes down to.