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  • Murray
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    #11
    Originally posted by zekebox
    Ok like Ive said before on this board I've known Kelly for years. And right now I can tell you that i'm stunned and confused on what happend in that ring tonight. For starters I have no idea why Kelly wasn't throwing punches, he usually throws between 70 and 100 punches per round. Is Hopkins that good on defence that he didnt feel comfortable throwing a clean shot? Maybe... Like I said i have no idea. I noticed something wasn't right a minute into the first round, and things never got better.

    Youngstown Ohio is behind Kelly now more than ever. Mark my words, we will stay behind our champ. He had an off night bottom line. It happens to every professional athlete once in a while. I've seen Michael Jordan and Lebron James have off nights. Why should boxing be different? Things didn't click tonight. No excuses tho Hopkins proved he is a legend once again tonight and Youngstown Ohio respects him. Im out! GO TEAM PAVLIK!

    I think Loew thought the fight was in the bag after seeing Hopkins vs Calzaghe. That being said Kelly was not himself tonight he did not work or adjust, Hopkins executed his plan well, it seemed Kelly was discouraged early on and it worsened as the fight went on. Props to Hopkins he stuck to the plan and was on his game tonight till the closing bell.

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    • Silencers
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      #12
      Originally posted by SekondzOut
      everything you said was on point
      I thought Team Pavlik was a bit over-confident......I just hope they take this slice of humbling pie well because Kelly is STILL the man at 160.
      160 is where he belongs right now, as you said, he's still the man there and is very hard to beat at that weight.

      Originally posted by roundingace
      I completely agree man. Pavlik is my boy and I just couldn't understand what was going on, but when you break it down, your post is about as accurate as it comes. Sad night for us here in Y-Town but hey, we'll be back at MW. All props to Hop.
      Yeah man, Pavlik will be back and probably will be better than he was before the fight.

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      • Fulcrum29
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        #13
        Originally posted by Pierrot
        I think Loew thought the fight was in the bag after seeing Hopkins vs Calzaghe. That being said Kelly was not himself tonight he did not work or adjust, Hopkins executed his plan well, it seemed Kelly was discouraged early on and it worsened as the fight went on. Props to Hopkins he stuck to the plan and was on his game tonight till the closing bell.
        Actually that's the problem Kelly WAS himself tonight, he was his usual 1 dimensional self and faced the greatest legend that he's ever faced before. Stop trying to make excuses for your boy Powder getting destroyed you ****

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        • KILLA RIGHT
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          #14
          Pavlik has the worst left power punch in the sport he has a left jab but that's it

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          • RodBarker
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            #15
            Originally posted by Fulcrum29
            Actually that's the problem Kelly WAS himself tonight, he was his usual 1 dimensional self and faced the greatest legend that he's ever faced before. Stop trying to make excuses for your boy Powder getting destroyed you ****
            Was himself are you dreaming , the weight killed Pavlik and was Bhops best weight right now so you got one at his worst and one at his best , I dont think you will ever see Pavlik fight outside middle again , his frame might appear to take the weight gain but his power and snap are gone , he was pushing even a jab I couldnt believe it , he labored the whole fight , first sign when you ****ed up " No Snap "

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              #16
              Originally posted by KILLA RIGHT
              Pavlik has the worst left power punch in the sport he has a left jab but that's it
              He definitely has to work on his hook, he slaps with his left hook, if he adds a powerful hook to his arsenal he'd be that much for dangerous, he needs to go to the body more as well, he's a good body puncher when he actually goes to the body, which isn't often enough.

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              • zekebox
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                #17
                Ok you say he was light years beyond him???? What the hell??? Pavlik beat Taylor twice and Hopkins got beat by Taylor twice. Yeah Ill say it again something wasnt right tonight!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by zekebox
                  Ok you say he was light years beyond him???? What the hell??? Pavlik beat Taylor twice and Hopkins got beat by Taylor twice. Yeah Ill say it again something wasnt right tonight!
                  Weight wasnt right .

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by zekebox
                    Ok like Ive said before on this board I've known Kelly for years. And right now I can tell you that i'm stunned and confused on what happend in that ring tonight. For starters I have no idea why Kelly wasn't throwing punches, he usually throws between 70 and 100 punches per round. Is Hopkins that good on defence that he didnt feel comfortable throwing a clean shot? Maybe... Like I said i have no idea. I noticed something wasn't right a minute into the first round, and things never got better.

                    Youngstown Ohio is behind Kelly now more than ever. Mark my words, we will stay behind our champ. He had an off night bottom line. It happens to every professional athlete once in a while. I've seen Michael Jordan and Lebron James have off nights. Why should boxing be different? Things didn't click tonight. No excuses tho Hopkins proved he is a legend once again tonight and Youngstown Ohio respects him. Im out! GO TEAM PAVLIK!

                    i lost respect for pavlik tonight, he was a sore loser.
                    he made excuses like it wasn't him tonight and couldn't get off.
                    that bull****! he couldn't do his thing because hopkins was too elusive.

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                    • S A M U R A I
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by zekebox
                      Ok you say he was light years beyond him???? What the hell??? Pavlik beat Taylor twice and Hopkins got beat by Taylor twice. Yeah Ill say it again something wasnt right tonight!
                      No, not all of us agree. Pavlik got lucky in the first Taylor fight and out-boxed in the second. I thought Taylor won the second fight by at least a couple of points. Yes, I'll say it again -- Taylor beat Pavlik in the rematch but the panel voted for what they thought was the bigger cash cow who could make them more money in the long run. They didn't score that fight on sklills, footwork and lateral movement, being an overall better boxer, or anything else that eluded and ultimately let Kelly Pavlik down tonight. Putting a relatively untested fighter --at least, at elite level-- against a seasoned veteran who became what he is for a very good reason was always a bad idea, and as I warned in other posts, many people were making a mistake by putting all their eggs into Pavlik's basket.

                      In short, Pavlik got Lacy'd tonight.

                      I hope he can bounce back and correct his mistakes. Unfortunately, Bernard Hopkins drew the blueprint on how to defeat him, and now he has to deal with that shadow over his head. Best of luck to him, he's a nice kid. He should consider getting a decent trainer, though.

                      BTW, triangle theory = BS. Styles make fights, as cliché as that sounds, it's true. This is why someone like Calzaghe is light years ahead of many other fighters -- the ability to adjust, which in effect both strengthens and negates the cliché I just stated. Many styles make a better fight, meaning if you can change your style, you're more likely to win. Kelly needs to learn how to adjust and bring more than a single game plan.



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                      Last edited by S A M U R A I; 10-19-2008, 02:25 AM.

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