What Makes Joe Calzaghe's Resume Great?

[abadger]

Your point was that he's never had to make excuses for a loss. That's fine, I agree with that Captain Obvious. Since he's never had an official loss. I'm just pointing out that excuses surround his career and resume in just about every other way. That is all.

But what really is your point? Calzaghe has always delivered, where it matters, in the ring. His worst career results are legitimate split decision wins. He has never lost a fight he 'should have won', nor lost a fight period, despite being just as human as every other boxer who did lose to guys they should have beaten and later excused it.

So the worst excuses he has to make are: 1) when he's looked short of his best, which happens to every fighter and 2) that he could have fought better opposition. I agree he could have, but the point is he has fought good fighters in fights he could have lost. But didn't, unlike most of his peers.

[rizkybizness]

I know Riz

Speaking of your boxing career, I heard Mundine is looking for an opponent if you fancy a trip to Oz?

Sounds good. I'll stop him in the first round.

[them_apples]

I'll tell you:

Lack of excuses.

Joe Calzaghe's career is quite without the kind of 'slip ups' that are conveniently overlooked and excused on the resumes of others. Roy Jones got old against Tarver and Johnson, despite being younger than Calzaghe is now. Or perhaps he was weight drained? Perhaps in that case he shouldn't have been fighting. Same goes for James Toney and his losses to Thadzi and Griffin. Perhaps these guys fought a higher standard of opposition than Calzaghe has as a whole, but they didn't lose to them (well, actually Toney did), they lost to guys they should have beat.

Never happened to Joe Calzaghe. He has fought as champion from the age of 25 til 36 without requiring an excuse of any kind even once. How come so few others have managed this?

because he hand picks his oponents

he's also not looked at as the best, Manny Pacquiao is and for good reason.

[Clegg]

because he hand picks his oponents

he's also not looked at as the best, Manny Pacquiao is and for good reason.

So you think that Thadzi and Tiberi are better than everyone on Calzaghe's resume?

Yes or no?

[OTSS]

Everyone has a right to an opinion...

I don't find him nor his resume so great.

[CiganoBoxer]

I personally think Hopkins and Calzaghes have a lot of similarities.

Both had a lengthly reign in their respective divisions without beating anyone of real note.

Then both had their breakthrough fights, Hopkins:- Tito and DLH. Calzaghe:- Lacy and Kessler.

Hopkins then moved up two divisions and beat the number one in Tarver and as we know Calzaghe then jumped up to Light Heavy and beat Hopkins.

Both fighters have wins over good opposition BH:- Tito, DLH, Wright. JC:- Kessler, Lacy, Eubank

Both have wins over decent opposition BH:- Joppy, Echols, Allen, Eastman. JC:- Mitchell, Brewer, Reid, Bika

And both fighters have wins of **** fighters BH:- Hakker. JC:- Pudwill.


Both fighters are at the tailend of their respective careers and both are hall of fame bound, its just a shame the majority of Americans dont give Calzaghe the same amount of respect they give to Hopkins

[WisePugilist]

Joe Calzaghe has beaten the best he could have faced. He destroyed Lacy. Now that he has beaten Lacy- before the fight happened fight fans around the globe predicted a Lacy win vis knockout. Calzaghe schooled him. Now that happened Lacy (who will be back on top if he beats Taylor) is now 'overrated'. Therefore there appears to be no point in Joe fighting Lacy. If he loses he will have lost but if he wins he loses as apparently now beating Lacy 'wasn't worth it'. Ridiculous. He was ducked at the last minute by hopkins in his prime (bona fide FACT) who only decided to fight Joe when he realised that it would keep his name up with the best. Once again Joe wins to have the old Hopkins cliams. I didn't want this figh to happen because I could see this coming a mile off. It was still a reputable fight which he did win- by 2 rounds no question. And what about Kessler? He is a better fighter than Pavlik. No question. Equally as good a brawler and twice as good a boxer. He is the future of boxing. I like Pavlik, a very honest (if predictable) come forward fighter. But he is overrated as he's been dubbed as alomost the USA's 'last hope'. There are other excellent legendary fighters too- Eubank, Woodhall, Sakio Bika, Robin Reid... etc, etc. When Calzaghe won his WBO Super-Middleweight belt RJJ had moved up to light-heavy. In order to get a possible (not nailed on) shot Calzaghe would have had to give up his belt (and thus paydays- essential for any man who struggles to pay their mortgage as Calzaghe was) and have a few 'warm up' light heavy fights. He has more defences than Hopkins and Joe lewis. And the more times I hear this 'he only fights in his backyard' from Americans the more annoyed I get. Why don't your fighters ever leave the USA? What's so special about you judges? They let American fighters win... wow, and them German's have the balls to let their favourate fighters win. Amazing. I don't happen to believe that American judges are biased however the shoe doesn't fit if the same thing happens on your home soil. Like Russia building nuclear weapons is shocking- America should be the only kid allowed its favourate toys. Joe Calzaghe to beat RJJ (Legend) by points- split decision (it's in the states).

[bsrizpac]

Joe Calzaghe has beaten the best he could have faced. He destroyed Lacy. Now that he has beaten Lacy- before the fight happened fight fans around the globe predicted a Lacy win vis knockout. Calzaghe schooled him. Now that happened Lacy (who will be back on top if he beats Taylor) is now 'overrated'. Therefore there appears to be no point in Joe fighting Lacy. If he loses he will have lost but if he wins he loses as apparently now beating Lacy 'wasn't worth it'. Ridiculous. He was ducked at the last minute by hopkins in his prime (bona fide FACT) who only decided to fight Joe when he realised that it would keep his name up with the best. Once again Joe wins to have the old Hopkins cliams. I didn't want this figh to happen because I could see this coming a mile off. It was still a reputable fight which he did win- by 2 rounds no question. And what about Kessler? He is a better fighter than Pavlik. No question. Equally as good a brawler and twice as good a boxer. He is the future of boxing. I like Pavlik, a very honest (if predictable) come forward fighter. But he is overrated as he's been dubbed as alomost the USA's 'last hope'. There are other excellent legendary fighters too- Eubank, Woodhall, Sakio Bika, Robin Reid... etc, etc. When Calzaghe won his WBO Super-Middleweight belt RJJ had moved up to light-heavy. In order to get a possible (not nailed on) shot Calzaghe would have had to give up his belt (and thus paydays- essential for any man who struggles to pay their mortgage as Calzaghe was) and have a few 'warm up' light heavy fights. He has more defences than Hopkins and Joe lewis. And the more times I hear this 'he only fights in his backyard' from Americans the more annoyed I get. Why don't your fighters ever leave the USA? What's so special about you judges? They let American fighters win... wow, and them German's have the balls to let their favourate fighters win. Amazing. I don't happen to believe that American judges are biased however the shoe doesn't fit if the same thing happens on your home soil. Like Russia building nuclear weapons is shocking- America should be the only kid allowed its favourate toys. Joe Calzaghe to beat RJJ (Legend) by points- split decision (it's in the states).

This post was filled with hilarious idiocy. But the best parts are highlighted. Your American jealousy is showing with that second off topic point out Russia and nukes (wtf)

[IMDAZED]

Calzaghe has a solid resume because he's maintained an undefeated championship reign for over a decade, including 21 defenses. That consistency alone makes it solid. Plus, he has some solid names in there - Kessler, Sheika, Woodhall, Hopkins, etc.

Like it or not, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Not the ATG Badge wishes he was but still great.

[Pullcounter]

I'll tell you:

Lack of excuses.

Joe Calzaghe's career is quite without the kind of 'slip ups' that are conveniently overlooked and excused on the resumes of others. Roy Jones got old against Tarver and Johnson, despite being younger than Calzaghe is now. Or perhaps he was weight drained? Perhaps in that case he shouldn't have been fighting. Same goes for James Toney and his losses to Thadzi and Griffin. Perhaps these guys fought a higher standard of opposition than Calzaghe has as a whole, but they didn't lose to them (well, actually Toney did), they lost to guys they should have beat.

Never happened to Joe Calzaghe. He has fought as champion from the age of 25 til 36 without requiring an excuse of any kind even once. How come so few others have managed this?

joe has some excuses, legitmate or illegitmate otherwise:

bad hands, pulls out of fights (against glen johnson twice), lack of self-confidence (had to be chided by warren to fight), etc...

the best thing about joe's resume is that he's still undefeated after all these years... that's about it. its arguable that that makes his resume great.