In the hostery of boxing. Which Boxer faced the GREATEST opposition??

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Maybe Harry Greb or Willie Pep. They fought everybody who was available to them, over a long period of time.

That was because back then they werent making 2 to 10 million a fight....If you look at today's fighters and when i say today I mean like fropm the modern era of boxing Ali on you have say Ali is there on target....he fought all the top fighters of his time in and past his prime.....Fraizer, Foreman, Norton, Holmes, Spinks, Shavers, Patterson, Liston Just of the tip of my head.

[JAB5239]

That is the greatest resume hands down. Can you imagine if he never avoided Jeffries too?.....but still, that is hard to top.

Ok, thats true enough. But turn about is fair play. Can you imagine if Jack bDempsey had never avoided Langford?

[JAB5239]

Has anybody mentioned Ezzard charles? He HAS to be mentioned when talking about fighters who have faced the best opposition.

[wpink1]

DLH has fought
JCC
Pernell
Vargas
Mayorga
Ike
SSM
Tito
Strum
B-Hop
Mayweather

Can SRL's opposition beat that?

Lets see two things. I will say yes Leonard faced better opposition.

Duran 71-1 at the time they fought 29 yrs old was a lightweight champion, then moved on up to be the welter, jr middle and super middleweight champion

Hearns 32-0 at the time they fought won. Won titles from welterweight to lightheavyweight.

Benetiz - 38-0-1 two time champion at the time, then moved up to win to super welterweight.

Kalule 36-0. Jr middleweight champion

Hagler had not lost in 10 years, had stopped all but one contender for his title. Was the undisputed Middleweight champion of the world.

Lalonde - light heavy weight champion of the world.

4 out of 6 of these fighters where/are considered top 30-40 all time top pound per pound fighters of all time, and were at their peak, or in Haglers case close to his peak. He was only 32, no losses in 10 years.

Compare that to DLH best fighters....

JCC - completely shot
Pernell - shot
Vargas -
Mayorga
Ike - very good fighter but not a duran, hagler, hearns or benitez
SSM - Great great fighter...Not 50 all time pound per pound fighter.
Tito - Great great fighter ...
Strum
B-Hop Great fighter ....
Mayweather Great fighter...


Dlh has faced great opppostion, but he lost to them!

[Thread Stealer]

I was box-recing a couple months ago and this is what I came up with in terms of facing Hall of Famers.

Maxie Rosenbloom: 24 fights against 9 Hall of Famers, for a combined record of 10-11-2 with 1 no-contest

0-1 against Harry Greb
3-4 against Jimmy Slattery
0-1 against Jack Delaney
1-0-2 against Tiger Flowers
0-2 against Young Stribling
1-0 against Ted Kid Lewis
1-0 (1 no contest) against James Braddock
1-1 against Mickey Walker
3-2 against John Henry Lewis


1925:
0-1 against Harry Greb
0-1 against Jimmy Slattery

1926:
0-1 against Jimmy Slattery
0-1 against Jack Delaney
1-0 against Tiger Flowers

1927:
0-1 against Young Stribling
0-0-2 against Tiger Flowers
0-1 against Jimmy Slattery

1928:
1-0 against Ted Lewis

1929:
1-1 against Jimmy Slattery
1-0 against James Braddock

1930:
1-0 against Jimmy Slattery

1931:
1-0 against Jimmy Slattery
0-0 (1 no-contest) against James Braddock

1932:
1-0 against John Henry Lewis

1933:
0-2 against John Henry Lewis
0-1 against Young Stribling
1-0 against Mickey Walker

1934:
0-1 against Mickey Walker

1935:
2-0 against John Henry Lewis



Ray Robinson: 29 fights against 12 Hall of Famers for a record of 21-7-1 (7 KOs)

3-0 (0) against Sammy Angott
2-0 (1) against Fritzie Zivic
5-1 (1) against Jake LaMotta
1-0 (0) against Henry Armstrong
2-0 (0) against Kid Gavilan
4-0 (3) against Bobo Olson
1-1 (1) against Randy Turpin
1-1 (0) against Carmen Basilio
1-2-1 (0) against Gene Fullmer
0-1 (0) against Joey Giardello
0-1 (0) against Joey Maxim
1-0 (1) against Rocky Graziano


1941:

1-0 against Sammy Angott
1-0 against Fritzie Zivic

1942:

1-0 (1) against Fritzie Zivic
1-0 against Sammy Angott
1-0 against Jake LaMotta

1943:

1-1 against Jake LaMotta
1-0 against Henry Armstrong

1945:

2-0 against Jake LaMotta

1946:

1-0 against Sammy Angott

1948:

1-0 against Kid Gavilan

1949:

1-0 against Kid Gavilan

1950:

1-0 (1) against Bobo Olson

1951:

1-0 (1) against Jake LaMotta
1-1 (1) against Randy Turpin

1952:

1-0 against Bobo Olson
1-0 (1) against Rocky Graziano
0-1 against Joey Maxim

1955:

1-0 (1) against Bobo Olson

1956:

1-0 (1) against Bobo Olson

1957:

1-1 (1) against Gene Fullmer
0-1 against Carmen Basilio

1958:

1-0 against Carmen Basilio

1960:

0-0-1 against Gene Fullmer

1961:

0-1 against Gene Fullmer

1963:

0-1 against Joey Giardello


Ezzard Charles: 24 fights against 9 Hall of Famers for a record of 18-6 with 2 KOs.

1-0 (0) against Teddy Yarosz
2-0 (0) against Charley Burley
5-0 (0) against Joey Maxim
1-0 (0) against Joe Louis
0-1 (0) against Harold Johnson
2-2 (0) against Jersey Joe Walcott
4-1 (1) against Jimmy Bivins
0-2 (0) against Rocky Marciano
3-0 (1) against Archie Moore

1941:
1-0 against Teddy Yarosz

1942:
2-0 against Charley Burley
2-0 against Joey Maxim

1943:
0-1 against Jimmy Bivins

1946:
1-0 against Jimmy Bivins
1-0 against Archie Moore

1947:
1-0 (1) against Jimmy Bivins
1-0 against Archie Moore

1948:
1-0 (1) against Archie Moore
1-0 against Jimmy Bivins

1949:
1-0 against Joey Maxim
1-0 against Jersey Joe Walcott

1950:
1-0 against Joe Louis

1951:
2-0 against Joey Maxim
1-1 against Jersey Joe Walcott

1952:
0-1 against Jersey Joe Walcott
1-0 against Jimmy Bivins

1953:
0-1 against Harold Johnson

1954:
0-2 against Rocky Marciano


Sam Langford, this one took awhile. I hope I didn't miss any. On cyberboxing zone, they list some of his fights with Jeannette as no decisions, but they're listed as draws in boxrec.

57 fights against 12 Hall of Famers for a record of 22-19, with 13 draws and 3 No-Decisions.

1-0 against Joe Gans
0-0-1 against Barbados Joe Walcott
0-1 against Jack Johnson
1-0 against Tiger Flowers
2-0 against Dixie Kid
1-0-1 against George Godfrey
1-0 against Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
1-0 against Kid Norfolk
1-0 against Stanley Ketchel
7-3-4 against Joe Jeannette
5-2-5 (2 ND) against Sam McVea
2-13-2 (1 ND) against Harry Wills




1903:

W PTS 15 Joe Gans

1904:

D PTS 15 Barbados Joe Walcott

1905:

L TKO 8 Joe Jeannette

1906:

W PTS 15 Joe Jeannette
L PTS 15 Jack Johnson

1907:

D PTS 12 Joe Jeannette

1908:

D PTS 12 Joe Jeannette
D NWS 6 Joe Jeannette

1909:

W RTD 6 Dixie Kid

1910:

W KO 3 Dixie Kid
W NWS 6 Stanley Ketchel
W PTS 15 Joe Jeannette

1911:

W PTS 12 Joe Jeannette
D PTS 20 Sam McVea
W TKO 5 Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
W NWS 10 Joe Jeannette
L PTS 20 Sam McVea

1912:

W PTS 20 Sam McVea
W PTS 20 Sam McVea
W TKO 11 Sam McVea
W TKO 13 Sam McVea

1913:

D PTS 20 Sam McVea
D NWS 10 Joe Jeannette
W PTS 20 Joe Jeannette

1914:

L PTS 10 Harry Wills
L NWS 10 Joe Jeannette
W KO 14 Harry Wills

1915:

L PTS 12 Joe Jeannette
L PTS 12 Sam McVea
D PTS 20 Sam McVea
ND 10 Sam McVea
L NWS 10 Harry Wills

1916:

L PTS 20 Harry Wills
W KO 19 Harry Wills
D NWS 10 Sam McVea
L NWS 10 Harry Wills
W NWS 10 Sam McVea
L NWS 8 Harry Wills
ND 12 Sam McVea
W KO 7 Joe Jeannette
D PTS 20 Sam McVea

1917:

D NWS 6 Harry Wills
W NWS 12 Joe Jeannette
L NWS 10 Harry Wills
L NWS 12 Harry Wills
W KO 2 Kid Norfolk

1918:

L KO 6 Harry Wills
L TKO 7 Harry Wills

1919:

L NWS 8 Harry Wills
ND 10 Harry Wills
L PTS 15 Harry Wills

1920:

L PTS 15 Harry Wills
D PTS 10 George Godfrey
W NWS 10 Sam McVea
W KO 2 George Godfrey

1922:

L PTS 10 Harry Wills
W KO 2 Tiger Flowers


I left out Jack Blackburn as he is the HOF, but more because of his training of Louis. He is in there as a "Non-Participant".

[KnockoutTheFat]

Louis Monaco. End of discussion. (Before anybody says "who" the thread title says which boxer faced the greatest comp not beat the greatest comp)

[Left Hook Tua]

Nah Tua was much more fat against Lewis

that was muscle.

[El Dominicano]

that was muscle.

I heard rumors that David Tua can wrap his **** around a horse ****. Is that true?

[Silencers]

Ali, SRR......

[black.ink]

Ok, thats true enough. But turn about is fair play. Can you imagine if Jack bDempsey had never avoided Langford?

Don't get me wrong, i admire Langford, afterall he did start at Lightweight and beat some of the greatest Heavyweights of all-time. As for Dempsey, Langford would have picked him apart, Dempsey wasn't on prime Jeffries level. Although he did try to get a fight with Harry Wills (most underrated heavyweight) even if he was past-prime but could have beaten Dempsey.