Margarito would stop Mayweather inside 8 rounds

[bsrizpac]

He must be one good Geico Caveman then.

No he really isn't. Just biased nuthuggers that love every fighter of their own nationality wax his balls. He's good fighter., just not very good. There's a big difference.

His chin stamina and workrate/pressure are what make him good. He still has nearly zero boxing skill to speak of. Get off of his nuts. And stop comparing him to great boxers like Castillo that could do it all and never ran away from guys that beat them.

[ACHlLLES]

And stop comparing him to great boxers like Castillo that could do it all and never ran away from guys that beat them.

Castillo a great boxer? ROFLAMO, stop overrating Castillo he was never a great boxer, he was a good fighter who was more on the brawler said then a boxer. Great boxer... Hahahahaha

Don't get me wrong Castillo/Coralles was an entertaining fight but for anyone to consider Castillo an all time great has to be insane.

[Mr. Fantastic]

No he really isn't. Just biased nuthuggers that love every fighter of their own nationality wax his balls. He's good fighter., just not very good. There's a big difference.

His chin stamina and workrate/pressure are what make him good. He still has nearly zero boxing skill to speak of. Get off of his nuts. And stop comparing him to great boxers like Castillo that could do it all and never ran away from guys that beat them.

If he's not very good then why was he a Champion for years before losing it to PW? Why is he ranked the number 1 Welter in the World? You say he has no boxing skill BUT he was able to neutralize Cotto's best weapon which is going to the body. That sir, takes skills too, just not the type of "skills" you like to see. Margarito IS a Great boxer/fighter. You just don't see it cause you're too busy hating on him.

[bsrizpac]

If he's not very good then why was he a Champion for years before losing it to PW? Why is he ranked the number 1 Welter in the World? You say he has no boxing skill BUT he was able to neutralize Cotto's best weapon which is going to the body. That sir, takes skills too, just not the type of "skills" you like to see. Margarito IS a Great boxer/fighter. You just don't see it cause you're too busy hating on him.

Yawn. He's an overgrown mutant. I don't hate on him, he's using his best attributes, being a mutant. I do hate on his ****** dumb**** "fans" that spam the **** out of the forum overrating the **** out him.

[bsrizpac]

Castillo a great boxer? ROFLAMO, stop overrating Castillo he was never a great boxer, he was a good fighter who was more on the brawler said then a boxer. Great boxer... Hahahahaha

Don't get me wrong Castillo/Coralles was an entertaining fight but for anyone to consider Castillo an all time great has to be insane.

Yeah okay. Castillo was never a boxer. Could never fight on the inside. Had no skill. He was a brawler. You're an idiot. Seriously. You hate Floyd, that's all well and good but give it a rest.

JLC > Margarito in ever department other than workrate and being an overgrown ****ing caveman.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Yawn. He's an overgrown mutant. I don't hate on him, he's using his best attributes, being a mutant. I do hate on his ****** dumb**** "fans" that spam the **** out of the forum overrating the **** out him.

How am I overrating him? Because I say facts? Who cares if he's big for his weightclass, so is PW. If they can have the dedication & discipline to make weight then there is nothing wrong with that. Who are your favorite boxers? If you don't mind me asking that question.

[poeticlsykuac]

Marg punches when he is set. Cotto allowed him to constantly get set by laying on the ropes and letting Marg punch away. He didn't use smart, efficient movement and he didn't clinch at all. Against a fighter like Marg, especially if you're much faster, you would wanting to be getting off first in the middle of the ring, or if you're countering, you would wait until he throws, counter and give some side movement, then clinch and walk him backwards.

Cotto did a lot more wrong than Marg did right (Marg only knows one way to fight so there is not as much room for tactical error in his game plan than for someone like Cotto who can fight different fights. There still is of course, just not as much). Cotto let Marg fight the fight he wanted. He didn't force Cotto to move too much, Cotto did that on his own. Cotto didn't clinch at all during the fight which was a terrible, terrible tactical error and he let Marg fight his fight best, which is to punch away at will on someone who is laying with his back against the ropes covering up and not stepping to the side, countering and moving back to the centre of ring or clinching and walking him back to the centre of the ring.

Cotto is a great fighter and he has the natural talent to be a good boxer/puncher, but, he does not have the proper training yet to be able to do it for a whole fight with efficiency. He wasted so much stamina trying to punch as hard as he could when he just needed to be touching Marg. Someone needed to tell him to use nothing but speed, touch him, clinch or take a step to the side, which would negate the Marg offense. Everything Cotto did was inefficient and a bad execution of the right game plan.

You don't need to spin off and move to the other side of the ring to offset the offense of someone like marg if you're that much faster. You only need to move just enough that he has to reset completely to throw again and by that stage you could have thrown and solid counter combo and scored and put him off again. Then you just step again to the side or clinch. This is the fight Mayweather does best and he would excel greatly against a fighter like Marg. It might sound like I'm hating or something, but I'm not at all. Not even slightly. I enjoy watching Margarito fight but I understand that he would not fare well against Mayweather or any good boxer that knows how to fight that type of fighter. I'm sure Cotto may have learned a great deal from that fight and if he is smart he will be able to beat Marg next time around. If...

Edit: Go and have a quick look at the Santos/Marg thread. In the video you can see that when Santos takes one step to the side either when Marg is about throw or to counter it throws Marg off completely and makes him stop, turn and start to get set again. When he lays on the ropes not moving Marg pounds on him. He makes Marg look terrible with one step or makes Marg look great by laying on the ropes. Like Cotto, Santos was not fighting that style of fight very well either and it was not his style of fighting to begin with so his mistakes were many and his efficiency was quite low. It was just lucky he was not so much smaller as Cotto was.

Nice Rebuttal!
I think Cotto fought a much better fight then you gave him credit for. He was sticking and moving, he was trying to side step, as the fight went on Tony was getting better at tracking and killing by the final round. Cotto looked more like his soul had been taken from him then being tired(he did look tired). I think Margarito did more homework then you give him credit for as well. Margarito seemed to nullify Cotto's strong left hook to the body. He actually made Cotto seem one-dimensional(only left handed fighting).

Tony does seem to pull back when he isn't set. The thing that makes Tony look so dominant is he literally jogs to his opponent when they move away. It is will breaking. Mayweather is in great shape and could jog with him all night long.

I just think that Tony's willingness to hit him anywhere is the key. Tony hits you every where arms, hands, shoulders, body, kidney(in clinches), body, and head. Anywhere you let him hit he will hit you. I think that it isn't Tony's effectiveness that wins the fight, it is his sheer output, will, chin, and stamina. I think Mayweather would be forced to fight, if he didn't he would look bad and possibly lose the fight on the perception of who came to fight.

I think Tony would be frustrated early on just as he was against Cotto. If Tony doesn't hold back(which I don't think he would) he would just force his fight on him. Tony is not given enough credit for knowing how to fight as the bigger fighter, he seems to gauge his distance well. Tony isn't the more talented or intelligent fighter. He is a big strong puncher with will, stamina, and heart. Like Rocky almost LOL. Tony would have long enough arms keep PBF away as well. Tony has great upper cuts for inside fighting should PBF fight inside. Tony punches in bunches and one or two out of ten will hit you. Because of the power it will become effective at some point in the fight.

PBF also goes into defensive shells when the other fighters have high output. Something none of us have mentioned. He comes out of the shell just long enough to win the round. Do you think he could do that? Be very defensive and win the fight? Popping out of his shell for only moments could lose him the fight. That is my point. Especially if when he side steps and moves Margarito keeps coming. Again I could see PBF winning a ugly decision but I think Margarito makes PBF looks just as bad as PBF makes Margarito look. PBF would have to be on a motorcycle to stay away all fight. Margarito isn't that talented, or athletically gifted especially in comparison to Mayweather but he his a journeyman style fighter and it is hard to beat a fighter that is willing to look bad and happy to out work.

[wmute]

Castillo a great boxer? ROFLAMO, stop overrating Castillo he was never a great boxer, he was a good fighter who was more on the brawler said then a boxer. Great boxer... Hahahahaha

Don't get me wrong Castillo/Coralles was an entertaining fight but for anyone to consider Castillo an all time great has to be insane.

OMG... learn something more about the sport before typing this kind of bull. Castillo is one of the best inside fighters of the last 20 years, Castillo cut the ring very well, Castillo had excellent timing. Watch Castillo-Mayweather or Castillo-Casamayor, watch him time with right hands and upset the rhythm of two of the best pure boxers in the game, and think again before posting bull****. Watch him mix movement with punches instead of coming forward in the Corrales rematch...

Can't believe I am reading this crap. When did you start watching boxing? After Cotto-Margarito?

[Ray Ray]

Castillo a great boxer? ROFLAMO, stop overrating Castillo he was never a great boxer, he was a good fighter who was more on the brawler said then a boxer. Great boxer... Hahahahaha

Don't get me wrong Castillo/Coralles was an entertaining fight but for anyone to consider Castillo an all time great has to be insane.

You sure can tell when a person just started watching boxing!

[ThugNificent]

Money makin "Money May" will probably win this by an easy UD leadin to another million dollar double digit PAy DAY for MAY and MARG.

GET TO DA MONEY