Is Calzaghe a more dangerous fighter than Tarver and Glen Johnson?

[MANGLER]

Joe C is skilled but by no means is he dangerous.

[Miburo]

Better - yes, more dangerous - no.

[badboypeenoy]

Better - yes, more dangerous - no.

Exactly my point.

[Dan...]

Obviously it depends on how you interpret dangerous. He obviously doesn't have the pop of a Tarver or Dawson anymore but I would consider him more dangerous in terms of his ability in the ring and what he can do to opponents.

[squealpiggy]

I think that Calzaghe could absolutely ruin Jones. Ruin him. This bogus comeback will come screeching to a halt as Joe takes away Jones' offense and dismantles him, stopping him late. He'll do more to smash Roy Jones' confidence than either Tarver or Johnson, that's what I'm thinking.

There's some self deception among Roy's fans going on. Since retiring and coming back Roy has managed the following:

Prince Badi Ajamu decision
Anthony Hanshaw decision (and looked like **** in the process)
Felix "Welterweight" Trinidad decision

Prince Badi was a club fighter, that much was plain to see. Hanshaw recently got stopped by Super Middleweight Andre Dirrell and had only a single fight at Light Heavy. And Tito, well what can we say about Tito? He had his best years at Welterweight, retired and fought Roy after a nearly three year lay-off. Roy needs to be stopping the likes of Felix Trinidad and if he can't do that then he certainly isn't stopping Joe Calzaghe.

[Dan...]

I think that Calzaghe could absolutely ruin Jones. Ruin him. This bogus comeback will come screeching to a halt as Joe takes away Jones' offense and dismantles him, stopping him late. He'll do more to smash Roy Jones' confidence than either Tarver or Johnson, that's what I'm thinking.

There's some self deception among Roy's fans going on. Since retiring and coming back Roy has managed the following:

Prince Badi Ajamu decision
Anthony Hanshaw decision (and looked like **** in the process)
Felix "Welterweight" Trinidad decision

Prince Badi was a club fighter, that much was plain to see. Hanshaw recently got stopped by Super Middleweight Andre Dirrell and had only a single fight at Light Heavy. And Tito, well what can we say about Tito? He had his best years at Welterweight, retired and fought Roy after a nearly three year lay-off. Roy needs to be stopping the likes of Felix Trinidad and if he can't do that then he certainly isn't stopping Joe Calzaghe.

I don't know if Joe's hands are good enough for him to be able to stop Roy. I agree with you though, based on what I have seen over the last 4 years it is pretty tough to mount a case for Roy winning. Joe has declined a little I think but probably not enough.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I think that Calzaghe could absolutely ruin Jones. Ruin him. This bogus comeback will come screeching to a halt as Joe takes away Jones' offense and dismantles him, stopping him late. He'll do more to smash Roy Jones' confidence than either Tarver or Johnson, that's what I'm thinking.

There's some self deception among Roy's fans going on. Since retiring and coming back Roy has managed the following:

Prince Badi Ajamu decision
Anthony Hanshaw decision (and looked like **** in the process)
Felix "Welterweight" Trinidad decision

Prince Badi was a club fighter, that much was plain to see. Hanshaw recently got stopped by Super Middleweight Andre Dirrell and had only a single fight at Light Heavy. And Tito, well what can we say about Tito? He had his best years at Welterweight, retired and fought Roy after a nearly three year lay-off. Roy needs to be stopping the likes of Felix Trinidad and if he can't do that then he certainly isn't stopping Joe Calzaghe.

I agree with your last paragraph, however Tarver already ruined Jones and as you say ''smashed his confidence''. People tend to forget that Jones was good enough to beat Tarver in their first fight so it was obvious that he still had plenty left, so he gets blown out a few months later and he is now all of a sudden shot? Jones was never the same after the rematch and it was just all downhill from there.

The organizations could put Jones where they want to, but we all know that hes really not a top 10 light heavyweight so i really don't see any significance in Joe beating him, other than the name because thats all he is beating.

[Kris Silver]

So where do you rate Jones compared to Lacy and Kessler? I think Jones is faster and more skilled than both boxers.

I'm puzzled as to whether you could actually be serious with that question, a bit like the thread. Peculiar.

Of course Roy is more skilled and faster than both Lacy and Kessler. So Roy may be able to dodge more punches than either of those. Calzaghe still dismantles opponents though and can land the shots that hurt Lacy and Kessler.

[squealpiggy]

I don't know if Joe's hands are good enough for him to be able to stop Roy.

I've come to a conclusion now and voted accordingly: Yes, Calzaghe is more dangerous to Roy than Tarver or Johnson were. He isn't going to spark Roy and leave him twitching on the ground because, as you point out, his hands ain't good enough. But what he will do is take away Roy's offense then hammer away on his defense until he's left with nothing. The stoppage will be through attrition and it will hurt Roy far more than any big one-punch deal. That's how I see it going. Roy may do alright for three or four rounds but he's just going to take more and more punishment as the fight wears on.

I agree with your last paragraph, however Tarver already ruined Jones and as you say ''smashed his confidence''.

I agree with that, but I don't see Roy making any sort of comeback after Calzaghe. Joe will kill his love for the sport. And I don't think he was "all of a sudden" shot after being kayoed by Tarver. I think he was shot after being kayoed by Johnson and then getting comprehensively outboxed by Tarver in the rubber match. He looked scared to death in that fight and his excuse was beyond pathetic.

If Roy was to beat Calzaghe then he'll shoot back up the p4p lists and what a fairytale that would be! But I really don't see how decisioning a crap Badi Ajamu, a mediocre Hanshaw and a shot to pieces, out of practise 30 lbs above his best weight Trinidad qualifies you to take on a concensus top five P4P fighter and win, especially by the ludicrous knockout that some of his living-in-the-past fans seem to be predicting.

Oh and it says something about Roy's fans when "living in the past" means "five years ago".

[Allucard]

I don't know if Joe's hands are good enough for him to be able to stop Roy. I agree with you though, based on what I have seen over the last 4 years it is pretty tough to mount a case for Roy winning. Joe has declined a little I think but probably not enough.

the worst is the low output Roy has... Joe C will be landing all night and Roy will not be active enough. Roy could hurt Joe C but will never be able to finish him off. Joe C by points or TKO. It's a shame Roy Jones is fighting at 40 years of age, he will end his career on a down note.