Is Calzaghe a more dangerous fighter than Tarver and Glen Johnson?

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  • Kris Silver
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    #11
    Originally posted by badboypeenoy
    Yup this is what I meant. Maybe Jones would perform well because he knows he won't be worrying about any jaw crushing punch landing on his fragile chin.
    I had this debate with WESS recently. The way I see it, Calzaghes power is not a major pro for him in most of his fights. But it's still a factor.

    If he can brutalise Lacys face, hurt Kessler and close his eye up, I don't see how a weaker chinned Roy is in a position to be any more complacent, if anything he should be more worried. He has a weak chin, and although Calzaghe isn't the hardest hitter he's faced, he could still definitely hurt him going by previous events of both guys.

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    • .Mik.
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      #12
      Not in knocking Jones out. Unless he thinks that he doesnt care about his hands and just completely ****s (which I'm not even sure that he can do anymore due to his fighting style adapting to protect his hands for years now). In beating him, he's certainly capable. In ending Jones' career? Well, if Calzaghe wins, its probably quite likely, yes.

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      • Allucard
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        #13
        Originally posted by badboypeenoy
        ...always had this notion that he isn't as hard a puncher as those two that knocked out Roy Jones. What do you think guys?
        I saw Roy two last fights and i can tell you, he is tailor made for Clazaghe. He throws very few punches and the only danger Calzaghe has to worry about are quality flurries by Jones like he did vs Hanshaw. But even if he lands a flurry like that, which is certain to hurt the brit, he won't be able to finish him like Trinidad and Hanshaw himself can testify. He certainly won't win on points which such a low punch output. The best way to say how i fee about this matchup is not buying it. That wannabe won't get any of my money i don't like announced winners and, like Calzaghe - Hopkins, this is another of those fights. So this goes to my boycott list along with Hoya - Pacquiao.

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          #14
          Originally posted by .Mik.
          Not in knocking Jones out. Unless he thinks that he doesnt care about his hands and just completely ****s (which I'm not even sure that he can do anymore due to his fighting style adapting to protect his hands for years now). In beating him, he's certainly capable. In ending Jones' career? Well, if Calzaghe wins, its probably quite likely, yes.
          So do you believe Calzaghe is a more dangerous opponent than Tarver or Johnson?

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          • badboypeenoy
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            #15
            Originally posted by KrisSilver
            I had this debate with WESS recently. The way I see it, Calzaghes power is not a major pro for him in most of his fights. But it's still a factor.

            If he can brutalise Lacys face, hurt Kessler and close his eye up, I don't see how a weaker chinned Roy is in a position to be any more complacent, if anything he should be more worried. He has a weak chin, and although Calzaghe isn't the hardest hitter he's faced, he could still definitely hurt him going by previous events of both guys.
            So where do you rate Jones compared to Lacy and Kessler? I think Jones is faster and more skilled than both boxers.

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            • .Mik.
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              #16
              Originally posted by badboypeenoy
              So do you believe Calzaghe is a more dangerous opponent than Tarver or Johnson?
              I think that I've adequately qualified my point.

              In danger of knocking Jones out. No.

              In danger of beating Jones. No, because they've already done it with a knock out. Joe probably will do it without a knock out.

              In danger of ending Jones' career. Yes, because if he loses, I'd imagine that Jones will retire.

              What is difficult to understand about that?

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                #17
                Originally posted by .Mik.
                I think that I've adequately qualified my point.

                In danger of knocking Jones out. No.

                In danger of beating Jones. No, because they've already done it with a knock out. Joe probably will do it without a knock out.

                In danger of ending Jones' career. Yes, because if he loses, I'd imagine that Jones will retire.

                What is difficult to understand about that?
                I just believe that for Calzaghe to effectively end Jones' career he'd have to top what the two boxers already did... I think Jones' losing via SD to the current P4P #3 would more likely boost his confidence and make him decide to continue boxing, than make him think of retirement.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by The Wire
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                  Morons. So far, probably more will follow.

                  Calzaghe is 45-0, he beat Hopkins, Kessler and Lacy, he's undefeated for 15 years. He's the true super middle and light heavyweight champion of the world. Tarver punches harder but is much less skilled than Joe and Johnson got beat by Clinton Woods for ****s sake. B-Hop made Tarver look like an amateur.

                  Roy himself believes Joe is the best fighter he's ever faced, and he's definitely better and more dangerous than Glen and Tarver. Did Joe duck Glen? The second time he pulled out I think he did but that was because he was going through a messy divorce and I know some people that saw him out in Cardiff pilled up, so he did the right thing to pull out for that one (although I had tickets and was ****ing fuming).

                  I can't believe anyone would say Tarver and Glen Johnson are more dangerous opponents than Joe Calzaghe. If you mean in terms of KO potential then maybe Tarver is, but in terms of loss potential Calzaghe is the most dangerous fighter Roy has EVER faced.
                  Well Jones lied, because i wouldn't put Joe ahead of Hopkins and certainly not James Toney, unless you are only judging by the circumstances that the fight happened. Joe is a good fighter, but Jones was just being modest. As for the topic, Tarver and Johnson are more dangerous because they can punch. As for more skilled, then that could turn in Calzaghe's way.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by T-97
                    If you mean Dangerous as in "Will he spark Roy out like they did?" then No way. I think he is more skilled than those 2, but he has no power really these days.
                    Basically "spark Roy out" is what I mean.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by badboypeenoy
                      Basically "spark Roy out" is what I mean.
                      Thought so,

                      In that case. No, Joe isn't as dangerous as Tarver and Johnson.

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