Campbell-Guzman: Joan is Three-Pounds Over The Limit

[edgarg]

Try to blame the conditioning coach..it might work.

I just saw that Guzman has a conditioning coach too, and it may have been HIS duty to see about Guzman's weight.

Regardless of that, the HEAD trainer has the overall responsibility for the condition (including weight) that he presents his charge in the ring on fight night, and his experienced eye should be able to tell, almost to a pound, how much his guy weighs.

Besides, in the couple of days before an important figfht, they should be weighing the guy a couple or more times a day, especially since, if he was 3.6 lbs over today, he must have been much more in the previous days, raising warning bells.

A tactic could be for Guzman not to worry about weight, come in very strong and heavy, beat hell out of Campbell, and then with that practical victory, the psychological advantage,and still undefeated, be able to arrange another fight in which he does come in at the right weight.

Castillo did that with poor Corrales.

Of course, it all means nothing if Campbell wins.

[SugarK]

Huh..Mayweather is the head trainer,It's his job to be aware of these things! Do you think he just shows up at the arena 15 mins before the fight? Partofhis job is to make sure Guzman is on point and peaking come fight time,3.5 pds overweight is not getting it done...Did you ever see Roger have PBF over on the scales as he moved up in weight classes?

[Sox8055]

I just saw that Guzman has a conditioning coach too, and it may have been HIS duty to see about Guzman's weight.

Regardless of that, the HEAD trainer has the overall responsibility for the condition (including weight) that he presents his charge in the ring on fight night, and his experienced eye should be able to tell, almost to a pound, how much his guy weighs.

Besides, in the couple of days before an important figfht, they should be weighing the guy a couple or more times a day, especially since, if he was 3.6 lbs over today, he must have been much more in the previous days, raising warning bells.

A tactic could be for Guzman not to worry about weight, come in very strong and heavy, beat hell out of Campbell, and then with that practical victory, the psychological advantage,and still undefeated, be able to arrange another fight in which he does come in at the right weight.

Castillo did that with poor Corrales.

Of course, it all means nothing if Campbell wins.

why doesnt it mean nothing if Campbell wins??I like Guzman, but if he loses thats his pedo and shoulnt be fighting at that weight, Campbell would earn my respect if he won...

[keepthemhandsup]

if guzman lose's i hope his excuse won't be "i didn't make weight"

[Sox8055]

if guzman lose's i hope his excuse won't be "i didn't make weight"

I also agree, even tough I like him better of both fighters. Yet if he loses he should take it as a fair lost and get in another lower weight division...

[Zocalo]

if guzman lose's i hope his excuse won't be "i didn't make weight"

I hope his excuse is "I didn't make weight"

[Floyd R]

The most important aspect of weight loss and management is the diet. The exercise program used to accomplish this is secondary. The job of a nutritionist is to simply make dietary recommendations and in some cases create meal plans. If you choose not to follow the advise offered then you suffer the consequences.

Boxing trainers are not responsible for creating an exercise program that is going to complement the fighter's standard boxing routine. In other words very few boxing coaches are going to create weight lifting or calisthenics routines for their fighters. That is reason most boxers hire a conditioning trainer to help them in that area. A boxing coach is simply there to provide a fight strategy and enhance the fighter's boxing skills.

Because the trainer lays out a programme of exercises and speciali training, calculated to exercise the important body parts, and using up carefully calculated amounts of calories, to bring the fighters in at the aimed-for weight.

Look how many fighters come in right on the exact weight limit?? That shows good planning, as well as "knowing your fighter". Different fighters have different metabolisms and use up calories (weight) at different rates, so a good trainer knows exactly what exercises, combined with diet and even massage, are needed to bring his man in, fighting fit, right on the nose. He knows exactly how much lighter his man is in the morning than the night before, and after how many hours of sleep, and at what time in the morning, etc.etc.

A fighter who fights at, say, normally, 147 lbs and comes in at 147, or even anything from 146.5 up, would be regarded as overtrained if he came in at 144. You'd see the betting go heavily against him then.

I believe that the reason that the betting has gone even more against Campbell AFTER Guzman weighed in heavy, is because Guzman didn't bother to try to take it off, leaving him in a more natural, less squeezed-out condition, that Campbell. And naturally heavier.

[Mr. Ryan]

I just saw that Guzman has a conditioning coach too, and it may have been HIS duty to see about Guzman's weight.

Regardless of that, the HEAD trainer has the overall responsibility for the condition (including weight) that he presents his charge in the ring on fight night, and his experienced eye should be able to tell, almost to a pound, how much his guy weighs.

Besides, in the couple of days before an important figfht, they should be weighing the guy a couple or more times a day, especially since, if he was 3.6 lbs over today, he must have been much more in the previous days, raising warning bells.

A tactic could be for Guzman not to worry about weight, come in very strong and heavy, beat hell out of Campbell, and then with that practical victory, the psychological advantage,and still undefeated, be able to arrange another fight in which he does come in at the right weight.

Castillo did that with poor Corrales.

Of course, it all means nothing if Campbell wins.

First off, for a fighter at the championship level, failing to make weight is inexcusable on all fronts. Forget the conditioning coaches and trainers, they aren't world champions. As a champion, you have a responsibility to uphold the standards of the business, and that includes respecting contractual weights. He just cost himself a shot at the lightweight championship.

Chances are Guzman had to pay a hefty monetary figure for the fight to continue, if Campbell pulled out of the fight that would have resulted in a huge monetary losses for the venue and promoters, effectively terminating boxing in Mississippi for a long time. So in addition to retaining his belts win or lose, Campbell probably made some serious change to keep the event going. I recall Mike Anchondo had to pay Barrios' camp $40,000 to keep the event going after failing to make the weight.

As far as gaining a competitive edge, it depends on how long ago Guzman decided he wasn't going to make the weight. If he kept trying to make weight up until the last minute, then he will be drained and depleted. If not, like Jose Luis Castillo who decided he was going to win whether it counted or not, it turned out to be an advantage.

In summarization, shame on Guzman for causing discredit to a world championship fight.

[Zocalo]

Where is my favorite *****? He is sure quiet right now. God knows he would be posting if Campbell didn't even bother to weigh in.

[Mr. Ryan]

I also agree, even tough I like him better of both fighters. Yet if he loses he should take it as a fair lost and get in another lower weight division...

Regardless, I think fighters who fail to make weight for title fights should be barred from fighting for a title for 6 months on the first offense and a year for the second offense. A third time should be permanent exemption from fighting for that organization's belt.

Failing to make weight is the reason Castillo has to fight today, his disregard for making weight caused him great financial loss.