Campbell-Guzman: Joan is Three-Pounds Over The Limit

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Why on earth would Campbell give him a rematch when he pathetically disregarded the fight contract?

Because, if the original fight could have been fought on a "level playing field" Campbell'd have had a very good chance to win, and is the Champion. If he lost due=he would say- to the unfair advantage that Guzman had from being heavier and not bothering to dry himself out to make weight, Campbell would want to redeem himself with another fight, this time with a closely monitored "level" playing field.

This fight would be a "shower of manna" for the promoters, who would boost up and PR the "revenge" and "unfair advantage" aspect etc of the first fight as much as possible, and still be a lot more believable than Oscar and his PR crap. It would be a big attraction.

Just my opinion.

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Why on earth would Campbell give him a rematch when he pathetically disregarded the fight contract?

Also, it's the promoters who mainly "call the shots" not the fighter, although he has his say. And Campbell has made a huge "thing" of wanting to fight ANYONE and EvERYONE.
And, as I've already said, if the guy had beaten him by what Campbell and his team would shout was an unfair advantage, he'd want to get him in the ring again, under fair conditions.........And he'd do anything to get his titles back....3 major titles makes him a big man..THE big man, in the lightweight world.

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The most important aspect of weight loss and management is the diet. The exercise program used to accomplish this is secondary. The job of a nutritionist is to simply make dietary recommendations and in some cases create meal plans. If you choose not to follow the advise offered then you suffer the consequences.

Boxing trainers are not responsible for creating an exercise program that is going to complement the fighter's standard boxing routine. In other words very few boxing coaches are going to create weight lifting or calisthenics routines for their fighters. That is reason most boxers hire a conditioning trainer to help them in that area. A boxing coach is simply there to provide a fight strategy and enhance the fighter's boxing skills.

Boxing trainers CAN be responsible for creating an exercise schedule, and also a diet regimen. It depend on their expertise and normal custom. Some do and some don't. Some camps don't have conditioning coaches and dieticians etc. Some may have one, and not the other, the trainer acting as the one they don't have. Perhaps, with diet, even their doctor. Diet is easily arranged, very little brainpower needed, other than being able to key in a list of already proven, suitable meals. The camp cook does the reat. It's camparatively a new thing, and originally was only for top fighters and important fights where weight loss whilst keeping up strength was a big factor.

The HEAD TRAINER is the top man in the training camp and everything flows from HIM. He bears the ultimate responsibility and instructs the others as to what weight and in what condition he wants his fighter to be at any given moment in the training period. It's their job to produce the components of these schedules, but, again, it's the trainer who sets it all in motion, and, if his guy comes in either overweight, or too much underweight, it's HE who bears the blame, for not keeping tabs on what's been going on.

It's just like in any business, the man who gives the orders has the responsibility to ceck that his orders are being carried out TO HIS SATISFACTION.

Nothing hard to understand.

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First off, for a fighter at the championship level, failing to make weight is inexcusable on all fronts. Forget the conditioning coaches and trainers, they aren't world champions. As a champion, you have a responsibility to uphold the standards of the business, and that includes respecting contractual weights. He just cost himself a shot at the lightweight championship.

Chances are Guzman had to pay a hefty monetary figure for the fight to continue, if Campbell pulled out of the fight that would have resulted in a huge monetary losses for the venue and promoters, effectively terminating boxing in Mississippi for a long time. So in addition to retaining his belts win or lose, Campbell probably made some serious change to keep the event going. I recall Mike Anchondo had to pay Barrios' camp $40,000 to keep the event going after failing to make the weight.

As far as gaining a competitive edge, it depends on how long ago Guzman decided he wasn't going to make the weight. If he kept trying to make weight up until the last minute, then he will be drained and depleted. If not, like Jose Luis Castillo who decided he was going to win whether it counted or not, it turned out to be an advantage.

In summarization, shame on Guzman for causing discredit to a world championship fight.

Your concluding paragraph, not your "summarization" is basically what I said.

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The most important aspect of weight loss and management is the diet. The exercise program used to accomplish this is secondary. The job of a nutritionist is to simply make dietary recommendations and in some cases create meal plans. If you choose not to follow the advise offered then you suffer the consequences.

Boxing trainers are not responsible for creating an exercise program that is going to complement the fighter's standard boxing routine. In other words very few boxing coaches are going to create weight lifting or calisthenics routines for their fighters. That is reason most boxers hire a conditioning trainer to help them in that area. A boxing coach is simply there to provide a fight strategy and enhance the fighter's boxing skills.

Also, FLOYD R, you seem to have a poor opinion of the position of what you call a "boxing coach". He's a hell of a lot more than THAT....or, if I AM out of date...he was.
Their successful fighters can make them millionaires in their own right.

Nothing is written in stone, and I could be out of date, but I think that only the Head TRAINER, the guys in charge of the camp, gets a percentage of te fighter's purse. All the others get wages.

If anything goes wronmg, it's ultimately the Head Trainer who get's the blame.

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I just saw that Guzman has a conditioning coach too, and it may have been HIS duty to see about Guzman's weight.

Regardless of that, the HEAD trainer has the overall responsibility for the condition (including weight) that he presents his charge in the ring on fight night, and his experienced eye should be able to tell, almost to a pound, how much his guy weighs.

Besides, in the couple of days before an important figfht, they should be weighing the guy a couple or more times a day, especially since, if he was 3.6 lbs over today, he must have been much more in the previous days, raising warning bells.

A tactic could be for Guzman not to worry about weight, come in very strong and heavy, beat hell out of Campbell, and then with that practical victory, the psychological advantage,and still undefeated, be able to arrange another fight in which he does come in at the right weight.

Castillo did that with poor Corrales.

Of course, it all means nothing if Campbell wins.

The Commission is now saying that the trainer should have been able to tell in the days leading up to the weigh-in, that Guzman was not on target, and was having weight difficulties..............

Almost exactly what I've said above. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to arrive at that very simple conclusion.

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