Calzaghe Fires Verbal Jabs at Roy Jones and Pavlik

[RimmyDelicious]

I stand by that. I think the likes of Hopkins and Tarver could as well. If they fought John Ruiz - a guy who's lost to two former Middleweights, then I dont see why not.

Cal could beat Sam Peter, if he avoid getting caught.

[-Swizzy-]

dirk thinks Calzghe could capture a HW title if he wanted to.

Really? Are you sure you're not confusing him with Johnny_Rebel?

I stand by that. I think the likes of Hopkins and Tarver could as well. If they fought John Ruiz - a guy who's lost to two former Middleweights, then I dont see why not.

he just answered your question for me.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

dirk thinks Calzghe could capture a HW title if he wanted to.

kswizzy thinks that people born in London are Canadian.

[-Swizzy-]

kswizzy thinks that people born in London are Canadian.

I think ppl who live 12 years of their life in Canada and represent Canada TWICE in the olympics, are Canadian.

[Chase8400]

Nothing you say here really has anything to do with whether Taylor would beat Kessler or not, it is a list of their previous accomplishments which strictly speaking has nothing to do with how the fight would go down. Most who pick Kessler over Taylor do so on the basis of his talent. He's bigger, stronger and faster than Taylor, and a harder hitter. Taylor also has a tendency to gas. Taylor's resume > Kessler's resume, but Kessler's talent > Taylor's talent.



You massively overstate the difference between Roy and Calzaghe here, you are basically talking about prime Roy, who no longer exists. Even in their respective primes the difference was probably much less than you think. I would not be at all surprised if on the night it turns out Calzaghe is the faster man, and I don't think there is actually that great a difference between their power anymore either, though Roy has the edge. As for punching accuracy, you should know that while Roy is probably better, Calzaghe has always been an exceptionally accurate puncher and I believe you are rating him based almost exclusively on what you saw against Hopkins, who completely spoiled Calzaghe's boxing.

I have to call the Kessler vs. Taylor argument like I see it. That consists of the proof of their previous fights and using common opponents. The statement about Taylor being less skilled or not as powerful is just that , a statement until proven that way. If they fight, we will really see. I think Taylor has fought better opposition, thats why Kessler seems better that he really is. I think he is good acually and take nothing away from Calzaghe's win over him, but he is not in the class of Jermaine and may never be. I see no way that Librado Andrade would have lasted the fight with Jermaine hitting him as manny times as Kessler did. Plus, when Taylor was pushed in his last Pavlik fight, he came back and did'nt gas out at the end like manny expected.

Roy Jones was and is still faster than Joe Calzaghe ever could have been or is. Joe throws punches back to back and seem to be fast, but in reality , he only throws mildly fast combinations. He's not all that fast. If you look at the Kessler fight closely, you will see that Mikkel acually was a little faster than Joe was. Not by alot, but when they punched at the same time, MK landed first. Joe was able to throw more sequential punches and it appeared to make him look faster, but from point A to point B, he's only just above average for the weight. The workrate is his key, combined with some speed. A fighter like Hopkins was able to neutralize that with accuracy and timing. Things Jones is superior to B-hop in. I just don't see Calzaghe Tee'ing off on Jones because of the counterpunch danger involved. He could see it end early on him if he does that, and i tend to think he knows it to be the case. Giving the ring smarts he possesses. That makes Jones a clear winner if his conditioning is correct for the fight. Which I think it will be, due to the magnitude of the situation. We will see on fight night how shot the "current" Rjj is, as you say. I believe you to be undercutting his once in a millenium abilities because of the events caused by a "lucky" Tarver TKO punch.

[abadger]

I have to call the Kessler vs. Taylor argument like I see it. That consists of the proof of their previous fights and using common opponents. The statement about Taylor being less skilled or not as powerful is just that , a statement until proven that way. If they fight, we will really see. I think Taylor has fought better opposition, thats why Kessler seems better that he really is. I think he is good acually and take nothing away from Calzaghe's win over him, but he is not in the class of Jermaine and may never be. I see no way that Librado Andrade would have lasted the fight with Jermaine hitting him as manny times as Kessler did. Plus, when Taylor was pushed in his last Pavlik fight, he came back and did'nt gas out at the end like manny expected.

Roy Jones was and is still faster than Joe Calzaghe ever could have been or is. Joe throws punches back to back and seem to be fast, but in reality , he only throws mildly fast combinations. He's not all that fast. If you look at the Kessler fight closely, you will see that Mikkel acually was a little faster than Joe was. Not by alot, but when they punched at the same time, MK landed first. Joe was able to throw more sequential punches and it appeared to make him look faster, but from point A to point B, he's only just above average for the weight. The workrate is his key, combined with some speed. A fighter like Hopkins was able to neutralize that with accuracy and timing. Things Jones is superior to B-hop in. I just don't see Calzaghe Tee'ing off on Jones because of the counterpunch danger involved. He could see it end early on him if he does that, and i tend to think he knows it to be the case. Giving the ring smarts he possesses. That makes Jones a clear winner if his conditioning is correct for the fight. Which I think it will be, due to the magnitude of the situation. We will see on fight night how shot the "current" Rjj is, as you say. I believe you to be undercutting his once in a millenium abilities because of the events caused by a "lucky" Tarver TKO punch.

I'm not gonna argue with you over Kessler and Taylor because its opinion at the end of the day.

On Calzaghe, his speed has declined, even in the Lacy fight it wasn't as good as it once was, but once upon a time he was very fast for a SMW, but not as fast as Jones, obviously. As for now, I think he still is hugely above average for a LHW and while Roy's handspeed seems to remain, particularly on the jab, it really isn't what it was either, although I'm prepared to believe its still better than JC's, just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if things looked a little different come the fight. As for me underrating Roy, well it can seem like that, but I'm very aware of what he used to be, I just don't think he is it anymore. I thought he looked awful in his fight with Trinidad, with my main concern being how static he is.s

[supremelygifted]

He has a point.Pavlik is being hyped up with only one major win under his belt.Kelly is not a proven champion with only one title defense against a Jr Middleweight.There is no need to throw out slurs like "Limey" it's just as bad as Fat Yanks.

Who has Calzaghe fought? Hopkins was well out of his prime! Kessler is good but far from great! Calzaghe is 45 and 0 and only one of the 45 can be considered great . Like I've said I've been to to the UK and I love the UK more than any other place I've ever been to . But, I said it when I was there and I've said on here. Since Lennox Lewis, You haven't sent a fighter over here that wasn't some over hyped , over rated bum with an impressive record. Ricky Hatton,Prince Hamed,Frank Bruno,and now Joe Calzaghe! Joe's ******ed father saw what Pavlik did to his fighter and decided Joe NEEDED no part of him! Point blank period. As for the fat yanks comment. We are a nation of fat ****s no doubt about it. But as a soldier in the US Army... I love the United States and all of the fat ass out of shape ****s here!!!

[DanMan_UK]

CALZAGHE = LEGEND!!!(killer)

Lets just see if Taylor fight Froch. He will get pummeled to a bloody pulp

[Pullcounter]

Pavlik is another lacy, good home limey ****

pavlik is another lacy... but didn't calzaghe make his name off that Lacy win???

[DrewWoodside]

Pavlik is completely different than Lacy. Pavlik throws straight punches with an equal workrate to Calzaghe. Lacy was jacked and loaded his punches up. Pavlik stops people by an accumulation of strong punches. Not a few big bombs. Pavlik is obviously willing to fight Calzaghe. So at the end of the day it comes down to whether or not Calzaghe is willing to fight Pavlik. Any other details from either camp is just bull****. The ball is currently in Calzaghe's court.