Fighters who need to step up!

[Clegg]

By your logic than I guess Raf should have "stepped up" after his first fight with Izzy and fought some guy lower in the division.

Clearly you don't understand my (or any?) logic.

If you can only name one guy that Wlad should fight, and that guy is someone that Wlad has already beat, then it is not reasonable to name him as one of the top 3 guys in the sport that needs to step up his level of opposition.

I guess Lockett really was the #1 contender to Pavlik's belt.

You say that certain people were not top 10.
Then I prove that they were top 10.
Then you say being top 10 means nothing.

What was that you were saying about logic?

[Live Dog]

Of course Wlad needs to fight better comp in his future fights. Guess what guys like Thompson, Sultan, and Austin aren't ****ing world beaters. And who cares if he already beat Peter. The fight was years ago and Peter has fought his way back. **** it, I guess Cotto doesn't ever deserve a rematch against Marg or Marg against Williams. **** it, I guess Wlad got lucky that Brewster gave him a rematch.

I don't care why certain fights weren't made in the past, in the future I want to see Wlad fight the best. End of story.

[Jimmy Dean]

Clearly you don't understand my (or any?) logic.

If you can only name one guy that Wlad should fight, and that guy is someone that Wlad has already beat, then it is not reasonable to name him as one of the top 3 guys in the sport that needs to step up his level of opposition.

Actually I named 2, Haye and Peter. If you want I can name more all of which would be tougher fights than anyone in his last 5.

You say that certain people were not top 10.
Then I prove that they were top 10.
Then you say being top 10 means nothing.

What was that you were saying about logic?

You're right. All those guys are top 10 HW's.....btw, how did you prove it again? And I never said that top 10 meant nothing.

[Clegg]

Actually I named 2, Haye and Peter. If you want I can name more all of which would be tougher fights than anyone in his last 5.

No, you didn't.

Please, tell what post you mentioned Haye in?

You're right. All those guys are top 10 HW's.....btw, how did you prove it again?

They were in the top 10 of the sanctioning bodies and The Ring Magazine at the time of the fight.

You are the one who stated that they were not. Why did you state something that was untrue?

[Clegg]

Of course Wlad needs to fight better comp in his future fights. Guess what guys like Thompson, Sultan, and Austin aren't ****ing world beaters. And who cares if he already beat Peter. The fight was years ago and Peter has fought his way back. **** it, I guess Cotto doesn't ever deserve a rematch against Marg or Marg against Williams. **** it, I guess Wlad got lucky that Brewster gave him a rematch.

I don't care why certain fights weren't made in the past, in the future I want to see Wlad fight the best. End of story.

So if asked to name the top 3 guys that need to step up their level of competition, you would name Wlad as one of them?

Yes, Peter deserves a shot, what exactly does that prove about what Wlad has done in the past?

[Jimmy Dean]

No, you didn't.

Please, tell what post you mentioned Haye in?

I can think of one that has been calling him out who is a bigger threat than any of those 5. And when Peter gets by Vitali than thats a fight that needs to be made.

They were in the top 10 of the sanctioning bodies and The Ring Magazine at the time of the fight.

You are the one who stated that they were not. Why did you state something that was untrue?

I didn't state that they weren't at the time and you have not shown me they were either. I said....

I'll explain it one more time. I have no problem with the fighters he has fought as most served a purpose (mandatory, avenging a loss, etc...). BUT, he is the the recognised HW champ and as such he NOW needs to fight the best. The only one of Wlad's last 5 opponents that is a legitimate top 10 HW is Sultan. So NOW that he has gotten those fights out of the way I would like to see him step up his competition. I guess you would like to see him fight Holyfield next.

[Live Dog]

So if asked to name the top 3 guys that need to step up their level of competition, you would name Wlad as one of them?

Who said anything about top 3? The thread title is "fighters who need to step up" and just randomly picked 3 fighters who I feel need to step up.

Yes, Peter deserves a shot, what exactly does that prove about what Wlad has done in the past?

I've already mentioned how I feel about Wlad's past opponents. They aren't ****ing world beaters.

[Clegg]

You think that Wlad needs to step up by fighting Haye? Even though Haye has done nothing to prove that he is top 10 in the division?

Biased people like you would simply claim that he still needed to step it up because Haye hasn't proven anything.

I didn't state that they weren't at the time and you have not shown me they were either.

So when you said about him not fighting top 10 guys, you meant that, 2 years ago, he should've tried to guess who would be in the top 10 in 2008, rather than facing the guys who were in the top 10 at the time?

They were top 10 at the time. Yes? Understand? Who cares if they aren't top 10 now, was he supposed to guess what the rankings were going to be in the future???

[Dan...]

You think that Wlad needs to step up by fighting Haye? Even though Haye has done nothing to prove that he is top 10 in the division?

Biased people like you would simply claim that he still needed to step it up because Haye hasn't proven anything.



So when you said about him not fighting top 10 guys, you meant that, 2 years ago, he should've tried to guess who would be in the top 10 in 2008, rather than facing the guys who were in the top 10 at the time?

They were top 10 at the time. Yes? Understand? Who cares if they aren't top 10 now, was he supposed to guess what the rankings were going to be in the future???

I think you gotta let it go. the man doesn't understand the numerical system.

[Clegg]

Who said anything about top 3? The thread title is "fighters who need to step up" and just randomly picked 3 fighters who I feel need to step up.

Ok. If it had been me, I would've picked the 3 that need to step it up the most, that's all.

I've already mentioned how I feel about Wlad's past opponents. They aren't ****ing world beaters.

Yeah, but the division is a bit ****ty, isn't it? In my opinion Wlad has done well. He is trying to unify the division, and his last two fights were necessary in order to do that.

He hasn't ducked anyone, there has been no clear challenger over the past couple of years. Peter has emerged as one now, but that's fight isn't yet possible because of them both having other commitments.

I think that his resume just looks worse because of what's available, rather than because of him not taking the hardest fights.