Sick of "he picked on little guys" criticism about B-Hop...

[ferocity]

where is your proof that the undefeated lipsey had no chin, other than an ATG fighter in his prime knocked his ass out.

B-hop had a draw, not a loss to segundo mercado. hopkins had problems adjusting to the ecuadorian altitude and time zone after arriving only a few days before the fight. he was unchararacteristically knocked down twice (the only two times of his career) and still whooped mercado so bad for the ensuing rounds that he got the draw in the other guys hometown. in the rematch, he destroyed mercado and stopped him.

you're right that he certainly wasn't done as a fighter, but hopkins was clearly not in his prime when he fought jt. he wasn't nearly as aggressive or active, yet i STILL had him winning the 1st fight clearly, almost knocking jt out in the 11th. the second fight could have gone either way, but we are talking about old hopkins who is more of a neutralizer than an agressor, nullifying his opponents offensive attack with his defensive wizardry. prime hopkins knocks jt out, no question, so the "losses" to JT (who HBO had all but annointed the new champ before the fight even took place) proves nothing.

and when did winky dominate jr. middleweight? oh... only from 2000-2004 before moving to middleweight, where he would sit among the elite even after being robbed against the aforementioned Jermain Taylor.

To be the dominte fighter you have to beat the toughtest in your division. At the time that was Oumas, Winkys mandatory and Winky side steped him, just like he said many side steped him.

I recall seeing a few of Lipseys fights, and i recall him being a fighter with a lot of hype. As was some other fighter but i can't remember his name. He had the wbo title and was supposed to be the best middleweight but then i think he retired or had an injury.

Hopkins v. Bo James, yeah, Hopkins shinned not! ****en let down. And i think because he was drained most of the time at his middleweight reing is why he wasn't as explosive as he should of been.

Hopkins never blew up before Trinidad because he always was hot and cold. He could look great in one fight then have a ****y looking performance and the obvious he never signed with King, if Hopkins never joined GBP we wouldn't even care about Hopkins least he wouldnt of blown up like he did cause he didn't know what to do after he beat Trinidad and imo, he was scared of rematching Triniada, in never giving Trinidad a rematch.

[Left Hook Tua]

In Calzaghe and Hopkins' case I understand the problem with unifying the belts. In Naseem's case, he's lucky to hold any belt while shamelessly ducking his mandatory.

he only worried about the wbo because they catered to him. the wbo needed to gain acceptance. having champs like hamed and joe among others led to that acceptance.

[Clegg]

In Calzaghe and Hopkins' case I understand the problem with unifying the belts. In Naseem's case, he's lucky to hold any belt while shamelessly ducking his mandatory.

Which mandatory was that?

[Silencers]

especially more so with the wbo back then.

remember naseem?

naseem beat every single beltholder in the division.

they would strip naseem or even one time stripped his opponent of his belt right before the fight with hamed.

The WBO was not highly regarded back then.

[Silencers]

Which mandatory was that?

JMM was his mandatory for over a year.

[Left Hook Tua]

Which mandatory was that?

that's what i was thinking. hamed fought a lot of top guys in his division.

the only guys that i can think of that he didn't fight were marquez and maybe espinosa. he was suppose to fight espinosa but luisito lost his belt and naseem ended up fighting the guy who beat luisito. i'm sure marquez could've had a shot if he had been able to beat norwood but he didn't.

[Left Hook Tua]

The WBO was not highly regarded back then.

i know. it has surprised me that it's considered a major now. it wasn't always the case.

the wbo did have some good fighters as champs though not just euros either.

[Clegg]

JMM was his mandatory for over a year.

Thanks for the info.

Imagine if that fight had happened? Hamed wins by KO=Marquez fans can't claim that he's undefeated and always gets robbed.

Marquez wins=he gets big fights with a prime Barrera and Morales.

It would've changed things quite a bit, whatever happened.

[Left Hook Tua]

Thanks for the info.

Imagine if that fight had happened? Hamed wins by KO=Marquez fans can't claim that he's undefeated and always gets robbed.

Marquez wins=he gets big fights with a prime Barrera and Morales.

It would've changed things quite a bit, whatever happened.

if only juan could've beaten norwood......

[Clegg]

if only juan could've beaten norwood......

He was robbed!

Remember how Mayweather robbed Castillo and Calzaghe robbed Hopkins? Marquez is the true unbeaten legend.

Juan Manuel Marquez 53-0>Rocky Marciano 49-0