Sick of "he picked on little guys" criticism about B-Hop...

[mspiegelo]

Not only did B-Hop beat some really good fighters prior to his "biggest wins" against these alleged little guys "Tito, Oscar, and Winky", but he beat some big boys as well. He sent Glen Johnson's career into a momentary downward spiral with his devastating one-sided beating that he handed him. Let's not forget that Johnson was not the "Road Warrior" rallying back from overseas scuffles and unwarranted losses, but an undefeated prospect with 30 wins under his belt before B-Hop taught him a lesson and brought him to school. This is the same Glen Johnson that would move up to 175, handle Tarver, and knockout the Great Roy Jones (two divisions above middelweight i might add)...

And the other "legend-killer" that ko'd Roy after his maniacle weight loss- you know, Antonio Tarver?!?... yeah, B-hop whooped that ass too, and quite easily i might add. I was in Atlantic City to witness this great evening in person. nobody was complaining about b-hop picking on little guys that night. he was beating the bully, and doing it with style....

As for some of the "bum" middleweights that he faced... He ended Joe Lipsey's career. This was an undefeated prospect with huge expectations and Hopkins not only knocked him the **** out, but he ruined the kid... The man had 20 defenses against the best opposition in the division, including Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes, simon brown, Joppy (wow did he **** his **** up- straight up made him look like an alien), the dangerous john david jackson (35-2) howard eastman, robert Allen, so what else does the man have to do for keyboard warriors to stop attempting to discredit his whole career with a few carelessly typed words in an internet forum?!?

Now lets gets get to the issue at hand. LADIES AND GENTLEMAN..... The fact is that B-Hop's weight upon weigh-inwas actually LESS than Oscar's for their middleweight scrap. That's right. B-Hop came in at 156. Oscar was the bigger man in that fight, yet those extra pounds could not protect him from the execution that ensued at the hands of an absolute master.

And Felix Trinidad? Nobody claimed Tito was too small for the division when he whooped joppy's ass prior to the B-Hop fight. In fact, many bet their houses that the seemingly indestructible Felix Trinidad would not only beat Hopkins, but knock him out.... This would of course not be the case though, as Hopkins put on yet another exhibition-like. one-sided, beating on his lesser opponent: a straight clinic... Hopkins pound for pound is a MUCH better fighter than Trinidad was or could have ever been, so quit your whining about Trinidad's weight....

Then the Winky wright criticism.... Yes, in his younger days, he was one of the most dominant junior-middleweights ever, but bodies change and he outgrew the division. he became a middleweight (even going so far as to make quartey (a guy whose prime was at welterweight) come up to middleweight to fight him, since making 154 wasn't in the realm of possibility anymore. Let us not forget that Winky went toe-to-toe with Jermain Taylor, the alleged middleweight champion, and schooled him comfortably at 160. Okay, 170 may have been a bit much for the Winkster, but enough with the junior-middleweight ****. Winky could whoop anyone at 160 at that stage (before his year and a half layoff), including pavlik imo. Based on B-Hop's De La Hoya weight, Why don't we call B-Hop a jr. middleweight then too. In fact, 152 is welterweight in the amateurs, so I'm gonna go ahead and call B-Hop a welterweight!

weight doesn't influence things as much as you might think folks. think of some of the best fighters of all time: duran, sugar ray robinson, sugar shane, sugar ray leonard, oscar, james toney, roy jones jr. they were the best and their skills took them to championships no matter what weight class they fought in. the fact is that bernard hopkins is one of the greatest middleweights of all time, if not THE greatest. so, why don't we show him some respect....

[El Dominicano]

Not only did B-Hop beat some really good fighters prior to his "biggest wins" against these alleged little guys "Tito, Oscar, and Winky", but he beat some big boys as well. He sent Glen Johnson's career into a momentary downward spiral with his devastating one-sided beating that he handed him. Let's not forget that Johnson was not the "Road Warrior" rallying back from overseas scuffles and unwarranted losses, but an undefeated prospect with 30 wins under his belt before B-Hop taught him a lesson and brought him to school. This is the same Glen Johnson that would move up to 175, handle Tarver, and knockout the Great Roy Jones (two divisions above middelweight i might add)...

And the other "legend-killer" that ko'd Roy after his maniacle weight loss- you know, Antonio Tarver?!?... yeah, B-hop whooped that ass too, and quite easily i might add. I was in Atlantic City to witness this great evening in person. nobody was complaining about b-hop picking on little guys that night. he was beating the bully, and doing it with style....

As for some of the "bum" middleweights that he faced... He ended Joe Lipsey's career. This was an undefeated prospect with huge expectations and Hopkins not only knocked him the **** out, but he ruined the kid... The man had 20 defenses against the best opposition in the division, including Antwun Echols, Keith Holmes, simon brown, Joppy (wow did he **** his **** up- straight up made him look like an alien), the dangerous john david jackson (35-2) howard eastman, robert Allen, so what else does the man have to do for keyboard warriors to stop attempting to discredit his whole career with a few carelessly typed words in an internet forum?!?

Now lets gets get to the issue at hand. LADIES AND GENTLEMAN..... The fact is that B-Hop's weight upon weigh-inwas actually LESS than Oscar's for their middleweight scrap. That's right. B-Hop came in at 156. Oscar was the bigger man in that fight, yet those extra pounds could not protect him from the execution that ensued at the hands of an absolute master.

And Felix Trinidad? Nobody claimed Tito was too small for the division when he whooped joppy's ass prior to the B-Hop fight. In fact, many bet their houses that the seemingly indestructible Felix Trinidad would not only beat Hopkins, but knock him out.... This would of course not be the case though, as Hopkins put on yet another exhibition-like. one-sided, beating on his lesser opponent: a straight clinic... Hopkins pound for pound is a MUCH better fighter than Trinidad was or could have ever been, so quit your whining about Trinidad's weight....

Then the Winky wright criticism.... Yes, in his younger days, he was one of the most dominant junior-middleweights ever, but bodies change and he outgrew the division. he became a middleweight (even going so far as to make quartey (a guy whose prime was at welterweight) come up to middleweight to fight him, since making 154 wasn't in the realm of possibility anymore. Let us not forget that Winky went toe-to-toe with Jermain Taylor, the alleged middleweight champion, and schooled him comfortably at 160. Okay, 170 may have been a bit much for the Winkster, but enough with the junior-middleweight ****. Winky could whoop anyone at 160 at that stage (before his year and a half layoff), including pavlik imo. Based on B-Hop's De La Hoya weight, Why don't we call B-Hop a jr. middleweight then too. In fact, 152 is welterweight in the amateurs, so I'm gonna go ahead and call B-Hop a welterweight!

weight doesn't influence things as much as you might think folks. think of some of the best fighters of all time: duran, sugar ray robinson, sugar shane, sugar ray leonard, oscar, james toney, roy jones jr. they were the best and their skills took them to championships no matter what weight class they fought in. the fact is that bernard hopkins is one of the greatest middleweights of all time, if not THE greatest. so, why don't we show him some respect....

Great Post. Don't forget to add, B-Hop didn't use his size against Tito. Not even once

[AntonTheMeh]

tito blasted joppy.
so tito is out of the question to me.
but i always wanted to see a rematch.
i mean he fought robert allen three times.

you gotta think he tried to milk that win for all its worth.

[KnockoutTheFat]

That notion of "he picked on little guys" is defeated when he won a wide unanimous decision over the undisputed HW champion Mason Dixon.

[warp1432]

Great post, but they won't listen. I've made countless points in the past about this and even resume threads about the contenders he (as well as Jones and Calzaghe) fought and how they deserved credit for them.

No one listens. If they hate Bhop, they hate him.

[deanrw]

That notion of "he picked on little guys" is defeated when he won a wide unanimous decision over the undisputed HW champion Mason Dixon.

Oh My!! All finished with your tizzy I see .Welcome back!!

Bhop fought some smaller guys, but most were close to if not natural middleweights. When you defend your title 20+ times, you need to widen your scope of opponents. No shame in that.

[NeXt In Line]

The same excuses will be said once Hopkins takes Pavlik back to school and shows him that Jack Loew doesn't know **** about boxing.

Sorry, I like Kelly but I'm drivin the wagon...

[MANGLER]

Knock him for bein dull most times if you must, but **** the whole 'lil guy' thing. Hopkins beat everybody put in front of him at his best.

[ferocity]

Lipsey had no chin, back when Hopkins was champion King tried to build up fighters to contenders to face Hopkins, Hopkins won most of the time.

You didn't mention he lost to Mercada, but he did get his revenge.

Its no secret that Hopkins era wasn't the best at middleweight.

Hopkins is an oppertunist he should have fought at light heavyweight but became a vegitarian to stay at middleweight and he could barly beat Keith Holmes by using dirty tactics.

Joppy was made for Trinidad, he was a King fighter and even before Trindad moved up, king already had his fighters hold a championship so they could fight and Trinadad could win title.

If Hopkins was as great as you say, he would not have lost twice to Taylor and it would not have been close. Taylor fight was the fight that showed that Hopkins wasn't as good as you or some think. He wasn't done as a fighter as we found out that was for sure. Im not saying he wasn't a great fighter but lets not over rate him.

And when did Winky dominate light middelweight?.

[mspiegelo]

Lipsey had no chin, back when Hopkins was champion King tried to build up fighters to contenders to face Hopkins, Hopkins won most of the time.

You didn't mention he lost to Mercada, but he did get his revenge.

Its no secret that Hopkins era wasn't the best at middleweight.

Hopkins is an oppertunist he should have fought at light heavyweight but became a vegitarian to stay at middleweight and he could barly beat Keith Holmes by using dirty tactics.

Joppy was made for Trinidad, he was a King fighter and even before Trindad moved up, king already had his fighters hold a championship so they could fight and Trinadad could win title.

If Hopkins was as great as you say, he would not have lost twice to Taylor and it would not have been close. Taylor fight was the fight that showed that Hopkins wasn't as good as you or some think. He wasn't done as a fighter as we found out that was for sure. Im not saying he wasn't a great fighter but lets not over rate him.

And when did Winky dominate light middelweight?.

where is your proof that the undefeated lipsey had no chin, other than an ATG fighter in his prime knocked his ass out.

B-hop had a draw, not a loss to segundo mercado. hopkins had problems adjusting to the ecuadorian altitude and time zone after arriving only a few days before the fight. he was unchararacteristically knocked down twice (the only two times of his career) and still whooped mercado so bad for the ensuing rounds that he got the draw in the other guys hometown. in the rematch, he destroyed mercado and stopped him.

you're right that he certainly wasn't done as a fighter, but hopkins was clearly not in his prime when he fought jt. he wasn't nearly as aggressive or active, yet i STILL had him winning the 1st fight clearly, almost knocking jt out in the 11th. the second fight could have gone either way, but we are talking about old hopkins who is more of a neutralizer than an agressor, nullifying his opponents offensive attack with his defensive wizardry. prime hopkins knocks jt out, no question, so the "losses" to JT (who HBO had all but annointed the new champ before the fight even took place) proves nothing.

and when did winky dominate jr. middleweight? oh... only from 2000-2004 before moving to middleweight, where he would sit among the elite even after being robbed against the aforementioned Jermain Taylor.