Should Calzaghe be P4P number one in the RING rankings?

[abadger]

This is just sad that you think America has a conspiracy against non American fighters.How insicure can you get on the subject of Joe?Take a look at the P4P list,how many Americans are on it?.Bernard should be placed lower as well as Palik but you can argue their positions.Pacman has fought three future Hall of Fame fighters in {EM,MAB,JMM} and has trancended weightclasses moving from 112 to 135 in the span of his career.Calzaghe has just recently moved up from 168 to 175 nearing the end of his career.Pacman is the definition of a P4P fighter and has his claim of the number one spot.He is a four division champion who will be fighting Oscar at a catchweight of 145 most likely.If Calzaghe were American I would still rate Pacman above him.Just take a look at the European rankings,they even have Pacman ahead of Calzaghe.I find it funny how American bias is claimed when Pacman isn't even American.

No, what amuses me is the way Americans bridle at the suggestion that their is home-favouritism in their boxing media, and this in the most 'patriotic' country on earth!

Partisanship is part of sport and all sports coverage exhibits nationalistic bias, all of it. The Ring and most other P4P lists we discuss here are administered by US organisations and favour US fighters. Its not a conspiracy, its just the way it is. If you really think that America would not rate Calzaghe as the worlds best boxer were he home-grown, then you aren't being honest with yourself.

[Flawless]

If Oscar KO Pacman and Joe beats Jones, he did does deserve the title to be the P4P best

[ALT-Assassin]

No, what amuses me is the way Americans bridle at the suggestion that their is home-favouritism in their boxing media, and this in the most 'patriotic' country on earth!

Partisanship is part of sport and all sports coverage exhibits nationalistic bias, all of it. The Ring and most other P4P lists we discuss here are administered by US organisations and favour US fighters. Its not a conspiracy, its just the way it is. If you really think that America would not rate Calzaghe as the worlds best boxer were he home-grown, then you aren't being honest with yourself.

I agree there is nationlism in Britain as well as the Ukrain and any other part of the world but Pacman IMO has his claim to the number spot if he was American or he did deserve to be called number one I would agree with you. Britain is just as Patriotic as America but you will never see it that way. How many riots occur after a football game in Europe because thier team lost against another nation? If rioting isn't being over patriotic I don't know what is.

[PrettyBoyFloyd7]

There have been numerous posts about how if Calzaghe were American he would be the P4P best fighter in the world and that it is because of his nationality he ranks as number two. Is this true?

man HELLLLLLLLL NO

[Chunk..]

Number two isn't the top of the P4P rankings? It is at the peak. Wasn't Hatton near the top as well at one time after beating a non American Tsyzu?

Tsyzu was P4P#2 when Hatton beat him. Hatton has never been near the summit of the rankings, #8 or #7 at best.

[ALT-Assassin]

Tsyzu was P4P#2 when Hatton beat him. Hatton has never been near the summit of the rankings, #8 or #7 at best.

Tyszu isn't American either so the point is moot.

[abadger]

I agree there is nationlism in Britain as well as the Ukrain and any other part of the world but Pacman IMO has his claim to the number spot if he was American or he did deserve to be called number one I would agree with you. Britain is just as Patriotic as America but you will never see it that way. How many riots occur after a football game in Europe because thier team lost against another nation? If rioting isn't being over patriotic I don't know what is.

If we're talking sporting bias, I agree with you, all countires are just as bad, and Britain particularly so. See I don't mean it as an insult when I say a group of fans or media are biased, I view it as natural!

As for the wider issue of patriotism, I don't believe anywhere in Europe even gets close. America has patriotism as one of the fundamental principles of being a citizen, you have your flags flying everywhere, things are seen as Un-American...truly its not at all the same in Europe or Britain. We do have nationalism, but this mostly takes the form of hatred of foreigners, I don't think we have the American style "loving our country". I'm not criticising, its just an observation.

[Chunk..]

Tyszu isn't American either so the point is moot.

You've lost me.

Has a Brit ever been P4P#1? That's the point am trying to get across. If Calzaghe beats Jones and was made P4P#1, i don't see how anyone could begrudge him that top spot?

[ALT-Assassin]

If we're talking sporting bias, I agree with you, all countires are just as bad, and Britain particularly so. See I don't mean it as an insult when I say a group of fans or media are biased, I view it as natural!

As for the wider issue of patriotism, I don't believe anywhere in Europe even gets close. America has patriotism as one of the fundamental principles of being a citizen, you have your flags flying everywhere, things are seen as Un-American...truly its not at all the same in Europe or Britain. We do have nationalism, but this mostly takes the form of hatred of foreigners, I don't think we have the American style "loving our country". I'm not criticising, its just an observation.

I agree we are over patriotic,but I blame the currupt media outlets like FOX and CNN.They spew some of the most right wing nonsense I have ever heard.I don't fly flags and sing praises to just America but I don't doubt that too many citizens do.

[ALT-Assassin]

You've lost me.

Has a Brit ever been P4P#1? That's the point am trying to get across. If Calzaghe beats Jones and was made P4P#1, i don't see how anyone could begrudge him that top spot?

Tell me what British fighters deserved the number one spot and how they were treated with biasness against them.Also,do you think beating a fadded Jones warrents him jumping to number one ?