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  • Left Hook Tua
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    #1

    Which wins deserves more credit?

    When fighters are being compared who never fought each other or from two different weight classes we have to resort to comparing their resumes.

    Now this could be a tough thing to do and can be based totally on opinion.

    In these types of arguments you often he phrases like , "he was old and past prime" or "great win but his opponent was not in his natural weight class" or "good win but his opponent was just a good fighter and not a great fighter".

    That being said I'm interested in seeing which win people give more credence to and value more.

    1. A win over a great fighter but older and past his prime? Like say Calzaghe's win over Hopkins or Hatton's win over Kostya.

    2. A win over a great fighter but naturally smaller and coming from a division or two below? Like Bernard's win over Tito and Oscar.

    3. A win over a good fighter in his prime and in his natural weight class.

    Which type of win do you give more value to when weighing a fighter's resume?
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    A win over a great fighter but older and past his prime.
    17.39%
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    A win over a great fighter in his prime but who is naturally smaller.
    8.70%
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    A win over a good fighter in his prime and in his natural weight class.
    47.83%
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    I value all 3 equally.
    26.09%
    6

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  • T-97
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    It depends IMO. If the great old fighter has a fair bit left it's a good win. The fighter moving up, Hopkins win over DLH deserves little credit as DLH was clearly no good at the weight where Tito was pretty big so fit in pretty well and KOd natural middleweights.

    The good fighter in his natural weight class, can depend on how good they are. IMO it's pretty close.

    And this doesn't help to answer the question at all..

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      #3
      Originally posted by T-97
      It depends IMO. If the great old fighter has a fair bit left it's a good win. The fighter moving up, Hopkins win over DLH deserves little credit as DLH was clearly no good at the weight where Tito was pretty big so fit in pretty well and KOd natural middleweights.

      The good fighter in his natural weight class, can depend on how good they are. IMO it's pretty close.

      And this doesn't help to answer the question at all..
      Thank you , Mr. Switzerland! ha ha ha

      Vote "I value all 3 equally."

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      • The Gully Gad
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        #4
        Originally posted by T-97
        It depends IMO. If the great old fighter has a fair bit left it's a good win. The fighter moving up, Hopkins win over DLH deserves little credit as DLH was clearly no good at the weight where Tito was pretty big so fit in pretty well and KOd natural middleweights.

        The good fighter in his natural weight class, can depend on how good they are. IMO it's pretty close.

        And this doesn't help to answer the question at all..

        hehehe

        its help **** my head up anyway lol

        Nah a win against a good fighter in the same weight class
        but still theres expections aint they

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        • Left Hook Tua
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          Originally posted by The Gully Gad
          hehehe

          its help **** my head up anyway lol

          Nah a win against a good fighter in the same weight class
          but still theres expections aint they
          we're speaking in general terms of course. there are many exceptions.

          bernard has been old for 10 years! but he was still winning.

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          • T-97
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            #6
            Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
            Thank you , Mr. Switzerland! ha ha ha

            Vote "I value all 3 equally."
            Sorry Tua

            But it really is close IMO. There are factors to be taken into account,

            If Diaz beat Pacquiao (A great figher coming up in weight), It would be a better win than Calzaghes win over Kessler (IMO), While Hops win over Oscar isn't as good as Calzaghes over Kessler. See what i mean?

            Damn, I'm middle of the road on anything. I'm not controversial at all Nice pic of Fatboy in your av Tua, I might go watch him KTFO of Ruiz..

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            • Left Hook Tua
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              #7
              Originally posted by T-97
              Sorry Tua

              But it really is close IMO. There are factors to be taken into account,

              If Diaz beat Pacquiao (A great figher coming up in weight), It would be a better win than Calzaghes win over Kessler (IMO), While Hops win over Oscar isn't as good as Calzaghes over Kessler. See what i mean?

              Damn, I'm middle of the road on anything. I'm not controversial at all Nice pic of Fatboy in your av Tua, I might go watch him KTFO of Ruiz..
              i'm just teasing. there's really no right or wrong answer. they're all pretty equal and pretty subjective of course.

              another ko late in a fight by the fat man!!!!!!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                i'm just teasing. there's really no right or wrong answer. they're all pretty equal and pretty subjective of course.

                another ko late in a fight by the fat man!!!!!!
                heheheh

                stop messin about Tuaman! lol

                I toke way to much BOO to be trying to make heads or tails out
                of some of the things you say

                lol

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                • T-97
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                  i'm just teasing. there's really no right or wrong answer. they're all pretty equal and pretty subjective of course.

                  another ko late in a fight by the fat man!!!!!!
                  Damn, I forgot how Knocked-to-****ery Ruiz got that night

                  What did you vote for, And why?

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                  • DiegoFuego
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                    #10
                    Hard to choose between the three, so I value them all equally

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