Nonito Donaire vs Cristian Mijares

[ElGranLuchador]

You know as well as I do that statistics like unbeaten streaks mean nothing. Tye Fields had a very good unbeaten streak going for a long time. Then Monte Barrett happened.

Arce was only a one-division champion at 108 pounds. He held an interim title at 112, Pongsaklek Wongjongkam was the full WBC titlist. Arce never pressed for a fight with Wongjongkam before moving to 115.

hmm u really need to be dumb if u say arce was past his prime when fighting mijares like the poster above
if arce prime wasnt when he was at his biggest undefeated streak then when was it?
he really hadnt showed any signs of wearing down even in his fight against roque ler he hurt him badly at the last round
anyway ponksaklek was ducking arce thats why arce had to defend an interim belt
and comparing tye fields winning streak to arce is just dumb
arce didnt just defeat this guys he destroyed them:
rubillar, melchor cob castro, hussein hussein rosendo alvares, adonis rivas etc
he wasnt fighting bums like tye fields

[ElGranLuchador]

So you're saying kawashima > donaire????

yep he was fighting him in japan as a challenger that counts a lot
anyway just for a fun fact donaire has only boxed 90 rounds compared to 287 of mijares i mean plz i know u guys are biased cuz u are pinoys but can we have some plain and basic common sense around donaire isnt in mijares lvl

[slicksouthpaw16]

Donaire has shown no evidence that he is not a pound for pound fighter skillwise. He just needs the names at flyweight and they were cleary avoiding him. I read in an article that he is defending his flyweight titles at flyweight and maybe looking at the champions at super flyweight down the road.

Luis Maldonado is a good fighter. He fought to a draw with Mijares because again, he is technically sound and a pretty good counter puncher and Mijares often abandones his best weapons and trades. Styles makes fights. I really can't see Mijares beating Donaire for that same reason. Donaire could not only punch but he has a great track record against southpaws and can box.

[Mr. Ryan]

hmm u really need to be dumb if u say arce was past his prime when fighting mijares like the poster above
if arce prime wasnt when he was at his biggest undefeated streak then when was it?
he really hadnt showed any signs of wearing down even in his fight against roque ler he hurt him badly at the last round
anyway ponksaklek was ducking arce thats why arce had to defend an interim belt
and comparing tye fields winning streak to arce is just dumb
arce didnt just defeat this guys he destroyed them:
rubillar, melchor cob castro, hussein hussein rosendo alvares, adonis rivas etc
he wasnt fighting bums like tye fields

Hey, if you wanna talk about streaks, all streaks are admissible. It shows that statistics mean nothing, whereas in basketball and baseball, they mean everything.

It's hard to say that Arce was past his prime because his TV connections and marketability enabled him to fight guys like Julio Ler and Rosendo Alvarez and get the hype that fighting on those networks afford you.

Once you're an interim titlist you can force a fight with the champion or take a vacated or stripped belt. If you choose not to and allow the interim period to expire without pushing for a fight with the titlist, you give up any claim to that belt.

[Mr. Ryan]

I find that "plain and basic common sense" means the exact opposite here as it does in real life. Any slogan coined by Viva Mexico has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Mr. Ryan]

hmm just saying my thoughts
anyway ur clearly not familiar with maldonado he is not a big puncher he was a protected prospect that got exposed by vic and recently got humilliated by montiel so he is out of the picture for a long time
either way a vic vs donaire fight makes a lot of sense im not the only one that thinks that

k how u really feel donaire can beat mijares?
i dont see it just for the fact that mijares has a great chin and has been in there with bigger punchers than donaire and more skilled opponents like muñoz and kawashima
there is absolutely no way donaire kos mijares just like there was no way cotto could ko margarito
so donaire would have to ud mijares the p4p #9 most skilled fighter in the world and with his lack of experience i dont see it happening at all

This is a "protected prospect" with a draw with Cristian Mijares though, so he must know how to fight a little bit. If Maldonado was "exposed" by Darchinyan, what favorable things come of that for Mijares' image?

You listed examples of fighters Mijares has fought that you felt were better boxers (not sure how Munoz constitutes a better boxer when he got outboxed by Martin Castillo), so how about examples of who you believe to be bigger punchers than Donaire on Mijares' record? I don't see any but maybe you're more familiar with the merits of Teppei Kikui or Reynaldo Lopez than am I.

People on unofficial lists get beaten all the time. It wasn't too long ago that Jermain Taylor was a pound for pound elite, then a guy who wasn't on the list came and knocked him out. Same with Vernon Forrest, he had a legit claim to the pound for pound throne before getting KO'ed by Mayorga.

Being "pound for pound" and unofficial titles like that mean nothing when you get in the ring. It's just you and your opponent and four arms between each other.

[warp1432]

Mijares looks good against small guys and he never faced anyone like Donaire.
Donaire gets up on his toes well and he hits with accuracy and power.

Are you kidding me? Small guys? Kawashima, Munoz, and Navarro are all legit 115 pounders. Munoz is a pretty big 115 pounder too. Also what irony this year, Nonito Donaire has faced even smaller guys then Mijares has.

I was surprised by how close the fight with Munoz was early on. I thought for sure that Munoz was outgunned technically, but somehow his jab and aggression kept him inside of the storm. To me the fight was a big letdown.

Why? Mijares let Munoz punch himself out and Munoz is very good himself. It's not like Munoz is a total bum either. He looked good against Nobou Nashiro and Kawashima I think. Kawashima himself is very good. Personally Munoz only won 2-4 rounds. After round 5 it was all Mijares and Mijares' defense was VERY impressive. It's also the performance that put him on the
P4P list. To me, that fight was a masterpiece if just short of that.

Oh and I don't think Arce was shot when he fought Mijares. If people would actually watch this fight, Arce actually was pretty fast and had a good work rate. He was just outclassed in pretty much every way and Mijares put on a show.

As for Mijares-Donaire, I think it's a pretty close fight. I think Donaire's left hook could have some sucess, but Mijares has a pretty good chin. He took some pretty good shots against Kawashima in the first fight and Kawashima hits pretty hard. Mijares' defensive skills is what sets them apart. Donaire has more power, but defense > power anyday.

Mijares has drastically improved since the first Kawashima fight. Judging him from the Mijares-Maldonado, which I know that only 1 person has seen on here and that was a pinoy so...I don't know if he's credible . Even if you go by his word, Mijares has drasitically improved so you can't compare Donaire's and his performances.

[Dambala]

Donaire represents a real threat to Mijares. He's skilled, tall, quick and has punching power. He's better than Montiel and Vic.

In my personal view Mijares, Ivan Calderon and Joan Guzman are the better boxers in the game right now. The problem with Mijares are the judges, they don't appreciate his game (weird decisions all the time).

Anyway Mijares by UD.

[MANGLER]

Mijares might go down, but he'd get up and take a UD.

[IwatchBoxing]

Cristian Mijares seems to be the new big thing.