Enzo: I'd consider light heavy bout

[Hitman932]

I said he's learnt from his loss and is re-energised.

I did not say he's fighting better or anything.

His mental state is better than it ever was, he was down on himself for losing. He's taken the negatives, said it was a bad performance, learnt from it and is using the energy to improve and motivate himself.

All I was saying.

Every fighter who gets knocked out claims he is re energized and has made changes and is ready to get back out there and do this or that, 90 percent of the time they are lying through their teeth.

I don't believe for one second that Enzo is in a good place mentally going into this fight, especially without a soft touch to get his feet back under him.

[Kris Silver]

Every fighter who gets knocked out claims he is re energized and has made changes and is ready to get back out there and do this or that, 90 percent of the time they are lying through their teeth.

I don't believe for one second that Enzo is in a good place mentally going into this fight, especially without a soft touch to get his feet back under him.

Just looked at your sig expected to find something, and my god what a surprise, a bet on Banks over Enzo "somebritishbum". Nice.

Your pretty cynical and dismissive to say 90% of fighters coming or a loss saying there ready to get back are lying through there teeth. Who are you to claim that kind of ridiculous stat or say their lying. Their not lying even the few whom aren't as improved as they thought.

Guys train hard for months for a fight, losing hits someone deep. So it's no surprise they go through a big low and then a big high, you do learn and get motivated from it.

I might be up for a bet sometime soon will see.

[LOLORSKATES]

Edison Miranda is re-energized and motivated by getting knocked out by Arthur Abraham.

[Hitman932]

Just looked at your sig expected to find something, and my god what a surprise, a bet on Banks over Enzo "somebritishbum". Nice.

Your pretty cynical and dismissive to say 90% of fighters coming or a loss saying there ready to get back are lying through there teeth.

I might be up for a bet sometime soon will see.

I dont have an axe to grind with Enzo, and my point is valid even if the number is not. How many guys get viciously knocked out and then jump back into a world title fight 6 months later and look better than ever? I cannot think of anyone off hand.

Kermit Cintron said he was over the Margarito knock out, better than ever, and ready to settle the score.... he got ****d.

Any other bets I make on this fight will be reserved for the British Team Classic members, I prefer to bet with my ebuddies so i can talk **** afterwards without anyone getting sensitive.

[Kris Silver]

I dont have an axe to grind with Enzo, and my point is valid even if the number is not. How many guys get viciously knocked out and then jump back into a world title fight 6 months later and look better than ever? I cannot think of anyone off hand.

Kermit Cintron said he was over the Margarito knock out, better than ever, and ready to settle the score.... he got ****d.

Any other bets I make on this fight will be reserved for the British Team Classic members, I prefer to bet with my ebuddies so i can talk **** afterwards without anyone getting sensitive.

Fair enough. Not getting sensitive dude, but having "Banks over Enzo SomeBritishBum" isn't cool. He's clearly not a bum, and what's being British got to do with it?

The nature of CW, and especially the fight between Mac and Haye was that there'd be a KO on the first big shot. It happened to be Haye. If it was Mac would Haye then be doomed in his next fight?

Just saying Mac will fight better having lost then won imo, the old saying of you lose more from a loss than a win is true often enough for it to be somewhat valid.

[Clegg]

The nature of CW, and especially the fight between Mac and Haye was that there'd be a KO on the first big shot. It happened to be Haye. If it was Mac would Haye then be doomed in his next fight?

Sadly there are a lot of ****** people who watch boxing. Everyone knew it was a near 50/50 fight, and that the first to land a big punch would win by early KO.

Yet when everyone is proved right, the winner is considered by some to be the next HW king, and the loser is considered to be a bum.

BTW not taking a knock at you Hitman, I know you don't overrate Haye.

[Hitman932]

Fair enough. Not getting sensitive dude, but having "Banks over Enzo SomeBritishBum" isn't cool. He's clearly not a bum, and what's being British got to do with it?

The nature of CW, and especially the fight between Mac and Haye was that there'd be a KO on the first big shot. It happened to be Haye. If it was Mac would Haye then be doomed in his next fight?

Just saying Mac will fight better having lost then won imo, the old saying of you lose more from a loss than a win is true often enough for it to be somewhat valid.

I know he is not a bum, but it a joke, the people who know me on this site know that i actually like the guy and all the mucus he sprays when he talks.

I actually do think Haye would have been in a lot of trouble if he had been KO'ed by Macca and then waited 6 months and jumped right back in the ring against Steve Cunningham. Haye is much better than Macca though and it was never a 50/50 fight in my eyes.

Some guys can look back at a loss and know that they fought hard and just came up short.... that will motivate them to get better. Enzo, he got embarrassed in front of the world, staggered all over the ring and there was nothing for him to take from the fight.

Really all i want to know is do you really believe him? Or do you just want to believe him? The latter is fine, there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a certain guy and wanting the best for him, but at least it should be acknowledged that you are hoping as much as believing.

[Kris Silver]

I know he is not a bum, but it a joke, the people who know me on this site know that i actually like the guy and all the mucus he sprays when he talks.

I actually do think Haye would have been in a lot of trouble if he had been KO'ed by Macca and then waited 6 months and jumped right back in the ring against Steve Cunningham. Haye is much better than Macca though and it was never a 50/50 fight in my eyes.

Some guys can look back at a loss and know that they fought hard and just came up short.... that will motivate them to get better. Enzo, he got embarrassed in front of the world, staggered all over the ring and there was nothing for him to take from the fight.

Really all i want to know is do you really believe him? Or do you just want to believe him? The latter is fine, there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a certain guy and wanting the best for him, but at least it should be acknowledged that you are hoping as much as believing.

Cool man, I understand where your coming from better now. I probably just favoured Haye against Macca too. I mean Haye could barely make CW and is now at HW. He were are discussing Macca a CW even by day, and could make LHW.

He got up too quick, had he have stayed down til 8, he might have been able to carry on, probably still lose but not stumble and bow out more respectably. I think that's what gets him.

I both want to, and do believe he has learnt from it and will be somewhat improved. I don't think my want is effecting my thinking thats the case by the way. If I don't believe or think a positive thing a boxer I'm a fan of is saying, I'd rather realise and say it. In the long run at least I can say I didn't think this was true.

Most boxers improve with experience around Mac's age so regardless I think he'll improve. Anything more such as an extra improvement having learnt and become more motivated from a loss, I guess is largely a hunch. I accept your sceptical. But even having just watched interviews from before and after the Haye fight, plus interviews with other people I genuinely think he's a slightly changed man. A loss does change you, and I think it's just now at the point where it's for the better (maybe not 2 months ago however). Enzo and Joe Calzaghe have also said Mac's much more motivated, working harder, hitting harder and showing improvements. I know their gona be a little bit biased but I give all of it some credit. I guess we'll see if he performs against Banks.

[S.G.]

Mac is not that good... another manipulated hype-job

[Hitman932]

Most boxers improve with experience around Mac's age so regardless I think he'll improve. Anything more such as an extra improvement having learnt and become more motivated from a loss, I guess is largely a hunch. I accept your sceptical. But even having just watched interviews from before and after the Haye fight, plus interviews with other people I genuinely think he's a slightly changed man. A loss does change you, and I think it's just now at the point where it's for the better (maybe not 2 months ago however). Enzo and Joe Calzaghe have also said Mac's much more motivated, working harder, hitting harder and showing improvements. I know their gona be a little bit biased but I give all of it some credit. I guess we'll see if he performs against Banks.

Well it seemed to me that against Haye that even though he knew he could knock Haye out he was not willing to let his hands go.

He seems to be talking the same game here, so when he shows up in the ring against Banks he will either do like he says and let his hands go and knock my man out... or he will try to fight a defensive fight and get himself caught before he takes control.

I just don't have faith that he can go in there off of a knockout and fight the aggressive fight he needs to get by JB. If he can back Banks up he should be able to win easily, but if he doesent he will be overwhelmed. Banks hits much harder with the left hook and though his right isnt as good as Haye I have little doubt that a clean one will knock Enzo out.