In his Prime did Roy Jones avoid Big Puches?

[Silencers]

A lot of it was unitentional by Benn though........due to his style and the way he was fighting. The ref was poor but I think he was poor for both fighters. He didnt help McClellan in the first round and kept taking to long to warn both fighters for infringements.

I was talking primarily about when he went over and knocked out Barkley and DeWitt. Benn offered to fight Jones around the time Jones chose an easier fight with Hopkins at middleweight.

Intentional or not I don't know, Benn had a history of rabbit punching though so it could be his style.

The Barkley and DeWitt fights were at 1990, Jones had just turned pro, the Hopkins fight wasn't until 1993, which makes more sense.

[Dan...]

I dont agree with this. The guys who he didnt fight were a level above those he did. Barring Toney who was in that level and Hopkins who eventually reached that level.

The likes of Harding, Johnson, Hill etc are all good world level contenders but not great fighters like Benn, Eubank etc. But it was more disappointing that he was fighting the likes of Richard Frazier and David Telesco than anyone else.

Regardless the point is that although he did not fight everybody he was still fighting top guys. Fighters like Harding, Reggie Johnson, Virgil Hill and Montell Griffin are top level fighters. People make out like Roy was fighting can after can. It is not the case.

[BRAVE-HEART]

Lots of people can punch but they arent neccesarily punchers.

that is a ****** comment to make. u fail

[wpink1]

I dont agree with this. The guys who he didnt fight were a level above those he did. Barring Toney who was in that level and Hopkins who eventually reached that level.

The likes of Harding, Johnson, Hill etc are all good world level contenders but not great fighters like Benn, Eubank etc. But it was more disappointing that he was fighting the likes of Richard Frazier and David Telesco than anyone else.

No doubt, I am not saying tat richard frazier and company where world class fighters, I am saying that none of these fighters with the exception of McCllelan was thought of at the time of being a serious challenge to Roy, and McCllelan became paralyzed which ended that opportunity. DM was a serious option but not anyone that would have caused any problems for Roy.

My point is that Roy beat 2 top all time fighters during their peak years, he then beat a total of `16 more current or past or future championship fighters, in weight classes.

Now my favority era is the era of Leonard, hagler, Duran, Hearns. Lets see Leonad could have faced Palmino, Cuevas. Duran could have faced Arguello and zPryor, Hearns could have faced McCallum, Curry, and many others around 154-168, Hagler could have moved up and accepted the challenge to face Quawi, saad Muhhamed, or fought some of the up coming great talent, but he didnt either. Get my drift, you can always name fighters that a fighter did not fight.

Had Roy been in the same era as Hagler, Duran, Hearns, Leonard, you would not have heard much about Hagler, as Roy would destroy hagler at middleweight, Leonard would never have moved up to midleweight, and Hearns would have been ko'd with in 6 vs a prime roy. Duran already said that anyone that moved up and fought rou was ****** (he told Vinnie Paz this). Leonard also acknowledge that he and those in his era where lucky that they did not have to face roy, as Roy had super super speed, tremendous power at middleweight, and had a unorthadox style that would have totally confused those 4 fighters.

Think Im crazy huh...I know Leonard was shot but he till had a tough go vs a 154 Norris. In leonard prime I give him the edge due to Norris weak chin, but it wld not be easy. Now move leonard up in weight class to middleweight, vs a bigger faster and harder to hit Roy, who had the reach on him...hmmmmm. Hagler was perfectly made for a Roy Jones. He had to step when he punched, thus Dundee came into Leonard camp a week before the fight and pointed this out, that is why you saw hagler lungning all night long. Leonard was not near as hard to hit as roy, and Roy was faster and stronger than Loenard, especially at Middleweight. Hagler when he faced leoanrd was only 32 contrary to false hype on here that hagler was shot, in fact hager had just came of his bes 3 wins. Hamsho, mugabi and hearns..all 3 by ko. However a boxer with mobility in Leonard posed a completley different style one that straight ahead Hagler simply could not adapt too. Roy would humiliate hagler. Hearns went to sleep vs everyone great who hit hime. So if Leonard stopped him at 147, what do you think Roy would do at 160, Duran already said it would be suicide for he or paz to move up and face Roy. However, lets assume he did. You saw what happened when he faced a boxing Leonard. Now carry that up 13 more pounds to a bigger stronger and faster version who was more difficult to hit......Hmmmm

Roy is not my favorite, but he talent wise was every bit as good as Leonard, and was faster at middle than a professional (not amateur, the amateur ray was the fastest I have ever seen) Ray leonard, and clearly stronger.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

None of those people could have been matched against him. Lewis was too big, and the others were too old

At the time when Roy fought Ruiz I wouldn't have minded seeing Jones Vs Tyson...I think they could have fought Jones would have came in at 190-195 and Tyson at his 218-225. I think it would have been a great fight. Jones using his boxing skills and Mike trying to walk him down...Lefty

[garryd]

IMO Nigel Benn would of give anybody fits and give Jones a better test than most did ,but to say he would of beaten Jones is to hard to swollow for me !

[Talon]

roy fought some badass mofos not all bums

[TruJoker1]

Roy is pathetic, truly pathetic.

When he whips your boys ass, what will you say then?

[joseph5620]

A lot of it was unitentional by Benn though........due to his style and the way he was fighting. The ref was poor but I think he was poor for both fighters. He didnt help McClellan in the first round and kept taking to long to warn both fighters for infringements.

I was talking primarily about when he went over and knocked out Barkley and DeWitt. Benn offered to fight Jones around the time Jones chose an easier fight with Hopkins at middleweight.

How do you know it was unintentional? Did you forget Benn hitting Iran Barkley after he was already down? Was that his style too? Hopkins "easier" than Benn? Now that's ******ity. And don't act like you don't remember Benn getting knocked down about three times.Early and late in the fight. And the referee was terrible.Mostly towards McClellan whether you admit it or not.

[WESS]

Yeah the Eric Harding win was a good one. There are several others also like Virgil Hill, Grant, Reggie Johnson, Woods and a few others he fought in his LHW reign that aren't too bad either. I'm not saying they are all elite fighters but the way a select few go on they would have you believe Roy was just beating up guys with losing records in these fights. The man beat some good opponents.

What did you think about Eric Lucas? I watched him face Kessler (back in 06) the other day and he looked just like he did when he faced Jones back in 96.

Roy Stopped him in the 12th and Kessler did it in the 10th. The crazy thing was in 10 years he looked the same. I kind of liked the dude. He had a ok chin and could take a beating. Roy and Kessler both landed good shots on him and he still kept coming.

What's your take on him. You think he was an ok fighter? Or at least worth mentioning when talking about Kessler and Jones?