Unpopular Opinions

[ALT-Assassin]

Imagine a scenario where I have no agenda, no desire to shoot anyone down and am not nutriding, but am merely giving my true opinion on a group of fighters.

Imagine that I don't think Pavlik has a chance in hell against Calzaghe simply because I don't think he's very good.

From a Euro bum like me, surely this is impossible....

Just drop the Euro bum nonsense.Opinions are what is needed for this thread and can vary from poster to poster,but it is amusing that Kesslers performance against a walking chin Andrade makes him seem elite to you.I think your opinion of Kessler has risen because of his competitive fight with Calzaghe,but that is just my opinion.To me Pavliks performance against Taylor who has significant wins over Bhop and a draw with Winky is more impressive considering people thought Taylor was going to win with his superior boxing skills.Then after the first fight Pavlik out jabbed Taylor and outworked him to a decision.Taylor is an elite fighter regardless of your opinion and has a far superior resume than Kessler whoes best win is Mundine who just got floored by Crazy Kim.Any boxer can look good against a tomato can like Andrade,just look at Mayweather against Gatti.

[abadger]

Just drop the Euro bum nonsense.Opinions are what is needed for this thread and can vary from poster to poster,but it is amusing that Kesslers performance against a walking chin Andrade makes him seem elite to you.I think your opinion of Kessler has risen because of his competitive fight with Calzaghe,but that is just my opinion.To me Pavliks performance against Taylor who has significant wins over Bhop and a draw with Winky is more impressive considering people thought Taylor was going to win with his suprior boxing skills.Then after the first fight Pavlik out jabbed Taylor and outworked him to a decision.Taylor is an elite fighter regardless of your opinion and has a far superior resume than Kessler whoes best win is Mundine who just got floored by Crazy Kim.Any boxer can look good against a tomato can like Andrade,just look at Mayweather against Gatti.

Unfortunately for you, you make the mistake of thinking that just because I disagree with you, I have ulterior motives. I don't.

I think it arises out of a fundamental difference in the way we aproach boxing. I assess boxers by looking at what they can do in the ring, what skills they have and imagining how they match up against others. You, like a lot of Americans (if you are) tend to focus on resume, saying if X did this, and Y didn't, then X must must be better. I don't subscribe to this view. Look at it like this:

1) Taylor doesn't really have any major weapons and does gas badly.
2) Kelly Pavlik really is slow and one dimensional, but does have decent power.
3) Kessler really is an exceptionally accomplished technical boxer, with both speed and power.

Those are the simple reasons I do not rate Pavlik or Taylor that highly and do rate Kessler. It's not radical and its not biased. If I thought they were good, I would rate them.

[rj_ct]

1) the ring ratings/champions are not the official ratings/champions (while i really respect the writers and the magazine, the ring is not the be-all and end-all authority on boxing).

2) the concept of “pound for pound” is ******ed and means nothing.

3) anything below featherweight is (with some exceptions, see my sig) usually boring.

[abadger]

1) the ring ratings/champions are not the official ratings/champions (while i really respect the writers and the magazine, the ring is not the be-all and end-all authority on boxing).

2) the concept of “pound for pound” is ******ed and means nothing.

3) anything below featherweight is (with some exceptions, see my sig) usually boring.

In fact ratings are frequently shown to be ridiculous, constantly playing catchup to what actually happens in the ring. Look at welter, not that long ago there was talk of Cotto and Mosley fighting for the Ring belt. Ha!

[LOLORSKATES]

1) the ring ratings/champions are not the official ratings/champions (while i really respect the writers and the magazine, the ring is not the be-all and end-all authority on boxing).

2) the concept of “pound for pound” is ******ed and means nothing.

3) anything below featherweight is (with some exceptions, see my sig) usually boring.

I agree except for number 3. The lighter divisions don't get as much love in America so they aren't marketed well. They don't seem exciting because the media and commentators don't give them attention.

[squealpiggy]

Williams is nothing special and has only been successful because he holds such a disparate size advantage over the competition.

[JAB5239]

Edwin Valero is a good fighter - People base this misconception on a record of all ko's over non-descript opposistion. He isn't particularly fast. He has his chin in the air much of the time. He doesn't go to the body as much as he would need to against world class comp. He drops his hands and leaves himself open. All this spells doom in my opinion. Valero is very overrated.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Edwin Valero is a good fighter - People base this misconception on a record of all ko's over non-descript opposistion. He isn't particularly fast. He has his chin in the air much of the time. He doesn't go to the body as much as he would need to against world class comp. He drops his hands and leaves himself open. All this spells doom in my opinion. Valero is very overrated.

agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!

[S.G.]

- Pavlik is nothing special
- Hopkins' career >>>> Roy Jones' career
- neither Cotto nor Margarito are top 5 p4p

[adamk1304]

James Toney is an over-rated, racist fat ****.