FACE IT: Cotto may NEVER be the same...

[Kobe Bryant]

Meldrick taylor... not Jermain Taylor.

Jermain didn't take a beating. He took less than a round of punishment.

I don't know. Taylor took two devastating uppercuts to end his night. His whole city thought he was a fraud on top of that. I'm sure the loss took a lot out of him and he came back.


Jermaine had never been touched up like that aside from Winky.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

That is not a vicious beating. That is one punch that changes a fight. Marco got rocked/KD'd and couldn't recover. Very different than 3, 4, 5 rounds of sustained punishment.

Zab Judah didn't get punished by kostya Tszyu. He got punished by miguel Cotto. Difference.

[pesticid]

And another fighter Kostya Tzsuy.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

How about Corrales? He took a similar beating from Mayweather didn't he?

Watch the final round...and you tell me.



Floyd humiliated Chico. For sure. But Corrales didn't suffer the type of physical beatdown miguel did. Floyd's work was more surgical.

[El Dominicano]

I don't think you people get it. Cotto got beat BAD! Blood all over his face a broken nose and had to go to the Hospital. He didn't just get K.O'd he lost knowing that his power didn't have any affect on Margarito. That can seriously **** YOU UP Mentally. MAB didn't want any part of Pac in the 2nd fight...The same might happen to Cotto.

[TintaBoricua]

I see alot of fans (mostly Puerto Ricans) saying that Cotto will be back "better than ever".

REALLY?

When's the last time a fighter came back undiminished from that type of physical and mental beating? Name 'em.

I have seen many fighters - including some recently - who were on an upward arc, but had their careers derailed by exactly that type of beating... or a similar thrashing.

Examples:

Hamed post Barrera

Lacy post Calzaghe

Hatton post Mayweather

Taylor post Chavez

Vargas post Trinidad

I'm hopeful that Miguel will be back and will be as good or better. but, as a betting man, the odds are against it.

While at times I am ****y around my friends and tend to brag about different issues...in the end I think I'm an objective person when coming to terms on various matters.

Dios Dominicano, while you have a very valid point regarding Cotto's return to probably being inferior from now on, I have to acknowledge something. Keep in mind that this is being treated objectively and I could be wrong. I'm just offering my point of view.

Hamed post Barrera- he disappeared after his first and only loss. I'm not defending Hamed, he was probably ashamed after Barrera schooled him, and who wouldn't after such a skyrocketing undefeated winning streak. However, even though we can say that Barrera "broke" Hamed and say that he made Hamed never want to get in the ring again, we will never know how much he diminshed as a fighter since he never fought again. We can use his act of never returning as a barometer to measure his broken spirit, but I wonder how much he lost of himself after the fight. He never fought again.

Lacy post Calzaghe- Lacy I think was overhyped and underprepared. He had a good KO percentage and an undefeated record, but he was still too green to take on Calzaghe (they probably underestimated him greatly due to him being a European fighter...big mistake). I think Lacy was fairly good, nowhere near the praise he had gotten, but since fighting Calzaghe, his last 2 fights and his performances have been very weak and would suggest he'll never be that special fighter he was cracked up to be. So I partially agree with you here. If he fights J. Taylor, we'll see without a doubt if he's lost it indefinitely.

Hatton post Mayweather- Off-topic: As much as I enjoyed seeing Mayweather win, I still felt sorry for the way Hatton lost. On topic: it would be unfair to judge Hatton as "damaged" or "ruined" or "not the same" after just ONE fight since Mayweather. Let's see a couple more and then we'll talk.

Taylor post Chavez- I'll give you this one.

Vargas post Trinidad- and I'll give you this one. Vargas fought his ass off in that fight and it was good, too. But Vargas always looked out of shape and he would ALWAYS get clipped in EXACTLY the same way BY THE SAME LEFT HOOK by Trinidad, by De la Hoya and by Mosley, and then lost to Mayorga in his farewell fight.

So, about Cotto? Only time will tell. Hell, we shouldn't even judge fighters as "not the same" until AFTER their careers are over or after we've seen a long list of fights AFTER their big losses to safely determine whether or not they're a shell of their former self. It's pointless in doing so. Vargas and Taylor...they're gone now. We can say with great assurance that they weren't the same...Hatton and Lacy? Unsure about Hatton but but Lacy's career isn't looking too good. He's had terrible conditioning and seems to only start strong and then nothing.

This is coming from a puertorrican. I've watched the Cotto/Margarito fight twice, I think it was a great fight, action-packed, and I look forward to both of their next fights. I wish them the best!

[Kobe Bryant]

Well yeah Malinagi came back well after getting physically dismantled. Has a belt and a couple of outstanding performances.

[pesticid]

Watch the final round...and you tell me.



Floyd humiliated Chico. For sure. But Corrales didn't suffer the type of physical beatdown miguel did. Floyd's work was more surgical.

Wow, okay, how about the Casamayor fight?

Still no responses for Barrera and his two beatdown losses to Jones and another one to Pacman
Vasquez, Rafael Marquez, Mormeck, Benn, Kostya, Toney

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

And another fighter Kostya Tzsuy.

Zoo's night vs Cool Vince? That was - again - a sudden thing. Not a prolonged beating.

This is boxing. Anybody can 'get caught'. That is different than eating 250 power shots and having your face broken up. And having your will broken.

For example, was Diego's will broken?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Wow, okay, how about the Casamayor fight?

Still no responses for Barrera and his two beatdown losses to Jones and another one to Pacman
Vasquez, Rafael Marquez, Mormeck, Benn, Kostya, Toney

Which casamayor fight?

Toney has never been beaten down. Ever, Even in his bad loss to Jones...if you saw that fight. That was much more like mayweather-Corrales where Jones just outclassed him.

KT took a beating...from Hatton. How was his comeback?

Was Mormeck ever an elite fighter? Ever?

Again: JJ never "beat down" barrera. And the video proves it. The Pac 1 fight was much more of "a beatdown".