If Mayweather were to come back and fight Margarito..

[Vasyl’s dad]

Past accomplishments, or say; obvious skill differential doesn't translate to new weight classes?

People move up in weight and receive title shots quickly... Floyd proves he's an absolute beast for years and years and one of the best technicians in the ring ever... but moving up suddenly negates all of what he's shown us before? I'm sorry, I have a memory that spans lasts more than a year that doesn't allow me to ignore such things.

What does 147 have to do with 130 and 135?


Simple answer.

Not a thing.


I've said plenty of times what was done at 130 and 135 is great and deserves its respect. I give it.

140 and above hes done squat against the best possible competition, you know, the types of fighters he faced at 30 and 35.


Now go cry about it.



I guess by your logic, an all state high school football player will automatically become an NFL hall of famer.



Sorry I'm not as shortsighted as you.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Post about Welterweight

So we're talking about strictly their resumes at Welter?

You realize that Cotto's resume at Welter isn't even that impressive either... right?

You can debate say it's better than Floyd's... and it is, but not by some landslide.

Cotto's Welterweight wins: Quintana, Urkal, Judah, Mosley, and Gomes.
Mayweather's Welterweight wins: Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, and Hatton.

Man... Cotto's resume is soooooooo much better than Mayweather's. <- Sarcasm

This forum has a plague of sheeple. They read a post and suddenly it becomes fact and it gets twisted and twisted so far that it doesn't even resemble anything factual in nature by the end. If your argument that Cotto is either a better fighter or would somehow beat Floyd is based around the fact that Cotto's resume is slightly ahead of Mayweather's at only Welterweight... well, then there's no hope for you as a poster and I can suggest some ****tier sites where people might tolerate your idiocy.

[Dirt E Gomez]

I type in blue and small sentences to make my posts seem big and intelligent.

My logic is this: Resumes are fine and dandy when assessing, well, their resumes. However, I use my eyesight and understanding of boxing to make my judgments about how good somebody is. I've seen plenty of Mayweather's fights (yes, even some recently!) that still show just how skilled he is. His resume doesn't include video clips of his accuracy, defense, footwork, and ring IQ... but actually watching fights does.

You can type about their resumes at 147 until your fingers bleed... but it wont change what has actually been displayed in the ring. You can stare at boxrec... I'll go watch a fight.

[poeticlsykuac]

Name One Fight Where Floyd ran as Much as Cotto Did Against Margarito?

• When Did Cotto Stop Running and decided to fight in the Pocket.?
• When Did Cotto Stop Running and decided to fight Margarito in the middle of the ring?
• When did Cotto Stop Running and decided to walk down margarito?
• When did Cotto Stop Running and decided to go to margarito's body?

Floyd is 5'8 and 150 soaking wet.
The Welther Weight Division is His 4th Weight Class. Not his 1st or 2nd Weight Class

and I would love For Floyd to fight Margarito like he fought Baldomir.
because Floyd Fought in the Pocket against Baldomir.(unlike Cotto did to Marg.) Floyd Walk Down Baldomit sometimes..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.)

Floyd went to the body against Baldomir..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.)
and
Floyd fought in the Middle of the ring against Baldomir..(unlike Cotto did to Marg.)



So the question is?
Is Miguel Cotto a runner because he back peddle the whole night..!
without doing anything close to what Mayweather did to Baldomir

Cotto at least trades for moments. If you like going to sleep to boxing continue re watching Baldomir. You need to realize how ******ed you look comparing those fighters. Fighting Margarito and fight Baldomir? What the **** are you thinking? Margarito has thrown 1600 punches in a fight, Baldomir has got what 800? Margarito is a KO fighter. Baldomir has more fights then Margarito and less then half the KOs. Of course he stood in there with mister feather fist.

Cotto retreated while throwing punches, Mayweather clinched, and moved very well but there wasn't exactly an offense to go with that defense. Mayweather fights to not lose, that is obnoxious. He never fights to win. Mayweather is amazing, but Margarito is a big strong man, stronger then DLH(though I wouln't say he hits harder), with a much higher output.

Floyd ran from DLH about the same as Cotto, or was it he preferred to hug him? If I was facing Floyd I would make him come to me. I would stand in the corner and make him come to me. Floyd would try and bounce in and out time him on the way in.

Mayweather has never been a fighter. He is a boxer. Stop trying to make ****** comparisons.

[Vasyl’s dad]

So we're talking about strictly their resumes at Welter?

You realize that Cotto's resume at Welter isn't even that impressive either... right?

You can debate say it's better than Floyd's... and it is, but not by some landslide.

Cotto's Welterweight wins: Quintana, Urkal, Judah, Mosley, and Gomes.
Mayweather's Welterweight wins: Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, and Hatton.

Man... Cotto's resume is soooooooo much better than Mayweather's. <- Sarcasm

This forum has a plague of sheeple. They read a post and suddenly it becomes fact and it gets twisted and twisted so far that it doesn't even resemble anything factual in nature by the end. If your argument that Cotto is either a better fighter or would somehow beat Floyd is based around the fact that Cotto's resume is slightly ahead of Mayweather's at only Welterweight... well, then there's no hope for you as a poster and I can suggest some ****tier sites where people might tolerate your idiocy.

Welter is all I've talked about regarding Floyd. I live in the now, not the past.

If you have a question to ask me, just ask it, don't assume you know what I stand for or believe in. Whenever I had a question about any of your posts, I simply asked a question.

You could never answer them but thats for another thread.

But since you're assuming to know how I make my decisions on who would beat who, lets just say you're off.

*waits for childish retort and corny insult back*


oh yea, since you wanted to know.

I think Mayweather is a better all around boxer. I just happen to think that Miguel Cotto has the speed,strength and style to match up very well with Mayweather. Floyd hasn't faced anyone above 140 who fights like either Cotto or Margarito, you know, the guys otherwise known as top welters in their primes.

If you happen to think Mayweather beats them both, thats fine. But Baldomir, aged DLH and a smaller Hatton don't really equate to what Cotto and Margarito or even Williams for that matter can do.

[DanielTurcotte3]

I think this would be by FAR the toughest single fight in Mayweathers career....Its funny too cuz Ive been thinking about it forahile now, I mean May has the pure skill to run laps around the ring with this guy and lets really face it, Marg is ver very limited at best.....His ability to take a solid punch and to continue to troop forward no matter what comes at him and continue to thrown punches in bunches is what makes Margarito....Well Margarito.....

Floyd would DEF give him all types of problems, and the types that IDK if Margarito would be able to adjust too....He would make Marg miss a lot of punches, all while making him pay with his roll and throw tactics, rolling and countering with accurate right hand leads, which personally IMO is his best punch in his bag, that quick straight right after rolling a punch.......He would be able to also keep up the movement over a full 12 round fight, where as we've seen, Cotto couldnt handle it....Remember that Floyd has been fighting like this for years, this is what his style has always been, where it was Cotto's first time......

That being said, Marg would give May trouble as well.....His length for one, and not his arms, he's long as ****, the guy is 65% torso....He's really a HUGE WW at that...If he was to fight Marg, it would be Floyds biggest opponent to date, and please dont say DLH either...The pressure would be another thing, although I think he is better suited for it then any other fighter, including PW, Floyd would have to somehow make his mark and make it early....Give him a lil bit of room...

That being said, the most important thing about Floyd Mayweather as a fighter is the fact that the man takes a gameplan into every fight, and absolutely puts it into work for an entire 12 rounds....Not the first 4-5 rounds, then he cant do it anymore....Floyd has always been able to break ppl down, before he even steps into the ring....He knew Judah would come out strong early in the fight, so he let Judah do what he did early, and dominated from round 4-12, Diego Corrales was another example of a gameplan, he displayed clean punching all night, while moving away from Diegos power hand, failing to allow Diego the oppurtunity to get off and land anything signifigant.....Wait change that...ANYTHING AT ALL....

Look at Floyds fights, he sticks to his gameplan hands down and never strays away from it......

He already knows what it would take the beat Marg just by watching the Cotto fight, and I would personally beg to differ if there is a smarter fighter who has EVER been involved in the fight game......

Bottom line is this is a very very intriguing fight, from both perspectives!!

[Horus]

Cotto at least trades for moments. If you like going to sleep to boxing continue re watching Baldomir. You need to realize how ******ed you look comparing those fighters. Fighting Margarito and fight Baldomir? What the **** are you thinking? Margarito has thrown 1600 punches in a fight, Baldomir has got what 800? Margarito is a KO fighter. Baldomir has more fights then Margarito and less then half the KOs. Of course he stood in there with mister feather fist.

Cotto retreated while throwing punches, Mayweather clinched, and moved very well but there wasn't exactly an offense to go with that defense. Mayweather fights to not lose, that is obnoxious. He never fights to win. Mayweather is amazing, but Margarito is a big strong man, stronger then DLH(though I wouln't say he hits harder), with a much higher output.

Floyd ran from DLH about the same as Cotto, or was it he preferred to hug him? If I was facing Floyd I would make him come to me. I would stand in the corner and make him come to me. Floyd would try and bounce in and out time him on the way in.

Mayweather has never been a fighter. He is a boxer. Stop trying to make ****** comparisons.

Name One Fight Where Floyd ran as Much as Cotto Did Against Margarito?

[Pullcounter]

Who would win the fight? I got in a debate with my friend. He insisted Margarito would win, and I disagreed. What do you guys think?

floyd outboxes margarito.

[Vasyl’s dad]

My logic is this: Resumes are fine and dandy when assessing, well, their resumes. However, I use my eyesight and understanding of boxing to make my judgments about how good somebody is. I've seen plenty of Mayweather's fights (yes, even some recently!) that still show just how skilled he is. His resume doesn't include video clips of his accuracy, defense, footwork, and ring IQ... but actually watching fights does.

You can type about their resumes at 147 until your fingers bleed... but it wont change what has actually been displayed in the ring. You can stare at boxrec... I'll go watch a fight.

Yea, I get all my info from boxrec.

I guess the pictures of the various cards I've been to were all from boxrec too.


You can type about abilities all you want but it doesn't mean a thing until its done in the ring.

Mayweather hasn't done it in the ring against the best prime welters.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Welter is all I've talked about regarding Floyd. I live in the now, not the past.

Cotto = 1 Loss, Floyd = 0 losses... I guess living in the now makes Mayweather an infinitely better fighter at welter, even in retirement... or Berto for that matter.

Your posts then have all been defending the "now" of welterweights... so you're debating a tiny part of a big sport over a huge timespan only taking into account a single weight class and past accomplishments are basically irrelevant unless they support your claim..... Gotcha'.

You got me though... I was assuming. I assumed people were taking up a debate about something relevant or interesting, not who has a better resume at welterweight.