I hate Margarito, but jesus wow

[Flawless]

The fight was a draw until Cotto quit

[Run]

The fight was a draw until Cotto quit

I had Cotto ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage.



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[SD_Mexirican]

Margarito won, props 2 him, he landed the harder punches through the fight, has a grade A+++++ chin, but his punchin style ****in sucks, i cant even be a fan of his im sorry, it just looks ****in ugly , im serious. good win for him but as far as boxing history, who gives a **** about margarito when u look back at him, no flashy highlights, KOs yeah but nothin that dazzles my eyes or wows me but again great win for margarito, he deserves 2 make some cash, after all these years. and by the way i had cotto winning by like 3 rounds, but i can see how judges had marg winnin but on TV it looked like Cotto was outboxing the **** out of marg, but the shots didnt hurt him one bit.

[warp1432]

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Ok listen. All that scoring "punches landed" stuff for each fighter at an even 1:1 ratio assumes that both fighters are evenly matched physically. It is still a fight, and if one fighter is walking through punches, and the otherfighter is, say.... all ****ed up and spitting out blood and clearly getting hurt more, you can't just say "Oh Cotto put in good work there. His round."

Williams beat Margarito because he hit him more, AND was never hurt. Cotto was ****ed up, and clearly bothered by his power. Its still a fight, look at his face...he got whooped. (and yes, by this rationale, that also means Lewis beat Vitali's ass. Just look at the faces. It's not hard to tell who won a fight...)

Margarito was ahead by at least a round, by that 11th, maybe 2.

No when you are scoring rounds you have to go by who is landing the cleanier punches. Cotto was really only ****ed up in like 3 rounds. Round 7 (which I scored for Margarito), round 10 (which Cotto was winning this round until he got hurt, so I considered it even because of the work Cotto did beforehand. I won't argue people scoring this for Margarito), and of course round 11 in which Margarito ****ed him up.

Some fighters like Margarito don't get any facial damage even though they are getting hit a ton. You still have to count Cotto's punches and even more so because they are landing cleanier. Margarito's punches were being "blocked", but they were going through Cotto's gloves. There's no way Margarito was winning by the time Cotto got destroyed.

You dont like Humberto Sotos style? whats wrong with you

You know I don't know. I liked watching him demolish Lorenzo, but he reminds me to much of Margarito. I don't like guys who just kind of plod foward and have no regrads for defense.

[St@rscreem]

No when you are scoring rounds you have to go by who is landing the cleanier punches. Cotto was really only ****ed up in like 3 rounds. Round 7 (which I scored for Margarito), round 10 (which Cotto was winning this round until he got hurt, so I considered it even because of the work Cotto did beforehand. I won't argue people scoring this for Margarito), and of course round 11 in which Margarito ****ed him up.

Some fighters like Margarito don't get any facial damage even though they are getting hit a ton. You still have to count Cotto's punches and even more so because they are landing cleanier. Margarito's punches were being "blocked", but they were going through Cotto's gloves. There's no way Margarito was winning by the time Cotto got destroyed.

Nah man. The phrase is "clean, EFFECTIVE" punches. If you keep hitting someone who is not cutting or even slowing down, your punches are not effective. The ONLY way you can (or SHOULD be able to) get away with a win in that situation is if the other guy is not hurting you either. Cotto was feeling it by the 2nd round. Cotto didn't get dropped by a single punch out of nowhere, right? It was due the the ass-whooping he had been receiving over the previous 10 rounds. If I'm a judge, I'm not scoring your punches on even terms if your opponent is walking through yours, and you are wincing and bleeding and swollen up.

Margo never hurt Pwill, so he lost that fight because if no one is hurt, you have to score the punches evenly, and he threw too few per round. Margarito is a human being. Anybody can be knocked out if you hit them hard enough. Cotto couldn't pull this off, thats his bad. He couldn't outbox him and survive the full 12 either, thats his bad as well, but those are the only 2 ways to beat somebody. You can't just say "well, some people just dont get hurt or get cut, but really, my guy was beating him." EVERYBODY feels pain and gets cut, if you are good/strong enough to cause them pain or cut them. If you don't, its uneffective, and you are losing the fight.


I understand that some boxers have scar tissue and ****, and some are more prone to cuts than others, but his skin is made out of the same stuff cottos skin is made out of. No way was Cotto winning that fight. Why do you think when he sat down in the corner after the 3rd, his (margarito) corner kept saying "don't be overconfident!". He saw the same fight you all shouldve been seeing. Idk what lampley and some of ya'll were watching.

Put it this way...if you went home after a fight looking like miguel cotto did last night, your brother/sister/spouse/parents would take one look at you and say "Damn man, who just whooped your ass??!?"

[Moon]

to the OP horrible scorecard! just because a boxer lands some the cleaner punches that doesnt mean they are hurting the opponent more than the other one is. not one punch or combination of Cotto hurt margarito while margarito's body punching and upper cuts were clearly hurting and slowing Cotto down after every round. i had it margarito 6-4 going into the 11th and im glad that 2 of the official judges agreed with me while the other had it a tie...

I guessing Cotto actually hurt Tony with a few of his more flush counters, but Tony just tightened up, ****** it up and marched forward. Cotto just didn't manage to hurt Tony with the accumulation of well placed punches, just single well placed shots that brought some serious pain. I expect Margarito's brain simply interprets pain differently than most other humans.

[warp1432]

Nah man. The phrase is "clean, EFFECTIVE" punches. If you keep hitting someone who is not cutting or even slowing down, your punches are not effective. The ONLY way you can (or SHOULD be able to) get away with a win in that situation is if the other guy is not hurting you either. Cotto was feeling it by the 2nd round. Cotto didn't get dropped by a single punch out of nowhere, right? It was due the the ass-whooping he had been receiving over the previous 10 rounds. If I'm a judge, I'm not scoring your punches on even terms if your opponent is walking through yours, and you are wincing and bleeding and swollen up.

Margo never hurt Pwill, so he lost that fight because if no one is hurt, you have to score the punches evenly, and he threw too few per round. Margarito is a human being. Anybody can be knocked out if you hit them hard enough. Cotto couldn't pull this off, thats his bad. He couldn't outbox him and survive the full 12 either, thats his bad as well, but those are the only 2 ways to beat somebody. You can't just say "well, some people just dont get hurt or get cut, but really, my guy was beating him." EVERYBODY feels pain and gets cut, if you are good/strong enough to cause them pain or cut them. If you don't, its uneffective, and you are losing the fight.


I understand that some boxers have scar tissue and ****, and some are more prone to cuts than others, but his skin is made out of the same stuff cottos skin is made out of. No way was Cotto winning that fight. Why do you think when he sat down in the corner after the 3rd, his (margarito) corner kept saying "don't be overconfident!". He saw the same fight you all shouldve been seeing. Idk what lampley and some of ya'll were watching.

Put it this way...if you went home after a fight looking like miguel cotto did last night, your brother/sister/spouse/parents would take one look at you and say "Damn man, who just whooped your ass??!?"

That's the thing. Margarito kicked his ass....in the 11th round. Cotto didn't have the brutal damage that he got in round 11, which is what was impressive.

Margarito's punches wore Cotto down, but they were being partialy blocked while Cotto was landing clean. If you always go by who lands the harder punch people like Paulie Malignaggi would never be able to win a fight.

Margarito did well with his non stop pressure. I don't see him ever getting stopped and I feel his chin is better then Baldomir's, but I don't think you can say he was winning. You could score for him rounds 2, 7, 9, 10 that's it. Definietly not any of the other earlier rounds and why people score him round 6 or 8 is beyond me. I can see somewhat 8, but not 6.

[St@rscreem]

If you always go by who lands the harder punch people like Paulie Malignaggi would never be able to win a fight.

Margarito did well with his non stop pressure. I don't see him ever getting stopped and I feel his chin is better then Baldomir's, but I don't think you can say he was winning. You could score for him rounds 2, 7, 9, 10 that's it. Definietly not any of the other earlier rounds and why people score him round 6 or 8 is beyond me. I can see somewhat 8, but not 6.

Yea I know, thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying you can only score punches 1 for 1 if either both fighters are being hurt or neither fighter is being hurt. Margarito landed the harder shots in the Williams fight, but if they didnt bother Williams, you gotta score based of the fact that he landed a lot MORE. I'm all about fighters with quick hands, Malignaggi is one of my favorites... BUT:

That is why paulie lost that fight and I couldn't argue with it. Even though he had the grit and heart to take Cotto's punches and keep rolling, he was being visibly ****ed up. People partially block ricardo mayorga's looping shots all the time, but they are still getting ****ed up. If I'm a judge and I'm watching that, I'm doing more than just arbitrarily counting the numbers of punches thrown and landed and tallying them up at the end and saying "Boxer X landed more than Boxer Y, so boxer X wins that round." Theres more to it than that I mean, I just am not explaining it correctly here I guess.

I'll rewatch the fight again when I get off work and figure out which rounds I had going which way, but I remember having Margarito up by at least a round and probably 2.

[Pullcounter]

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-Cotto + body = oh wait. He never went there. What the **** cotto?

has margarito ever been stopped much less slowed down by a body attack? I don't know if it would make a difference because Cotto's stamina and pacing suck.

[Haglerwins]

warp is out of his mind.