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  • ztrac79
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    #11
    When you box there is no such thing as quiting. Or shouldn't be. You have to trust your corner for that kind of stuff. Once you quit the first time you possibly will never be the same. You will always have in the back of your mind that if **** gets too tough you can just quit because you've had enough. That means to have a team you trust and never leave quiting as a way out. That's the way I was taught. Not saying it's the right way just stating one way of thinking.

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    • supremelygifted
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      #12
      Originally posted by HTownTexan
      Rahman is in a different boart. It was third round, he was clear. The cut was no where near deep. Im talking about fighters like Freitas who after 10 rounds of getting pounded on a Chico. Not a fighter who got a minor cut in the 3rd round looking for a way out. He was beat up like Oscar, Popo, Gatti. Even Alphonso Gomez took a beating. But the way that Rock wnet out is not in the same league.
      Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a ***** if you can't compete.

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      • Scott9945
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        #13
        Originally posted by supremelygifted
        Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a ***** if you can't compete.

        Good comments. Fans see Oscar Diaz get carried out of the ring and they still don't get how seriously dangerous this business is. If Rahman doesn't think he can protect himself or his eye the fight should be stopped. What the result should be is a different issue.

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        • BHiles
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          #14
          Originally posted by supremelygifted
          Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a ***** if you can't compete.
          I am just a fan. I have only boxed in high school as part of PE class but that was quite enough for me to become quite respectful of those who participate in the most gruelling respectable sport there is. So I don't think you can dismiss all fans as not being concerned about the issues boxers face.

          I think someone who is in a sport so disorientating must have a team that they can rely will have his best interest at heart when it comes to the fighter's health and well being. I tend to believe that Oscar's corner completely failed him in this regard. After the ref waved his hand Brooks was trying to get him water to help freshin him up to go on fighting so the ref had to reiterate to brooks No "the fight is over". Just inexcusable.

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          • RodBarker
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            #15
            And if Diaz KOs him in the last round the trainer is a hero , its easy to point fingers after the fact when things go wrong , life is full of snap decisions that can make or break you and sometimes with dire consequences , boxing can be very brutal and every time somebody gets seriously hurt people want to pin the tail on the donkey , could have should have is always after the fact , I bet all of Diazs camp are very upset and praying for complete recovery , this is nobodys fault its one of lifes wildcards that can be dealt to anybody .

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            • MikeBrew328
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              #16
              Look I'm not pointing finger because I don't know what went on.....but ESPN just showed the highlights of the fight and Diaz didn't look like he could take the punches like most fighter (or he usually) does... Something probably happened in sparring or in training, he might've gotten knocked out in sparring or something...**** like that doesn't just happen because boxing is dangerous. That stuff happens due to ignorance. Like when they faked Muhammad Ali's doctor reports.

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              • My Name Is...
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                #17
                Originally posted by supremelygifted
                Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a ***** if you can't compete.
                I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that?

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                • MikeBrew328
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by HTownTexan
                  I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that?
                  If it wasn't affecting him then how did James Toney not land any right hands before the cut, then clip him with a right hand right after the cut???

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by MikeBrew328
                    If it wasn't affecting him then how did James Toney not land any right hands before the cut, then clip him with a right hand right after the cut???
                    It takes time to warm up, get your timing down, a get your distance down. I could understand if it was later in the fight, but 3rd round is still early. I cant say that is the reason, but that it COULD be the reason.
                    Damn, Yuri looks good.

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                    • joseph5620
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by HTownTexan
                      I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that?


                      Easy for you to say because you were not the one cut and you weren't the one who had to get hit. Also, if you didn't box as a pro then don't talk about what you COULD have done. You didn't do it and you calling Rahman a coward makes you a hypocrite using double standards.
                      Last edited by joseph5620; 07-18-2008, 10:39 PM.

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