Joe Calzaghe: "Roy Jones Fight is Tougher Than Hopkins"

[Kris Silver]

The Manfredo fight was bigged up by Calzaghe to begin with, but he's openly said it was just the right guy at the right time, to get more noticed in America. He planned on totally exposing him, the fact Lacy struggled with him underlines just how far below his standard they are.

He's criticised for not working himself into positions where he has a name and to get big fights in America, and he's criticsed when he doesn't. The difference now is that he's on his last fight so obviously and openly has said, he wants it to be a big one. That's what all this has worked upto. Roys proven and has the weapons to challenge him. Pavliks not as proven or such good quality, he's a Kessler esk win for Calzaghe which is difficult to get motivated for, and he wouldn't get the credit ppl claim there'd give him anyway. It's been said before.

Beat Lacy we'll respect you, he does, Lacy's overated.

Beat Kessler we'll respect you. He does, Kesslers mechanical and un proven.

Beat Hopkins, we'll respect you. He does, Hopkins shot.

The same would be true of Roy, or Pavlik.

The same would even be true of Tarver, ppl would say he's old and overated. Also of Dawson, that would get the un proven excuse.

[THE REED]

The Manfredo fight was bigged up by Calzaghe to begin with, but he's openly said it was just the right guy at the right time, to get more noticed in America. He planned on totally exposing him, the fact Lacy struggled with him underlines just how far below his standard they are.

He's criticised for not working himself into positions where he has a name and to get big fights in America, and he's criticsed when he doesn't. The difference now is that he's on his last fight so obviously and openly has said, he wants it to be a big one. That's what all this has worked upto. Roys proven and has the weapons to challenge him. Pavliks not as proven or such good quality, he's a Kessler esk win for Calzaghe which is difficult to get motivated for, and he wouldn't get the credit ppl claim there'd give him anyway. It's been said before.

Beat Lacy we'll respect you, he does, Lacy's overated.

Beat Kessler we'll respect you. He does, Kesslers mechanical and un proven.

Beat Hopkins, we'll respect you. He does, Hopkins shot.

The same would be true of Roy, or Pavlik.

The same would even be true of Tarver, ppl would say he's old and overated. Also of Dawson, that would get the un proven excuse.

but all those things about those fighters ARE true...

is lacy a GREAT fighter? NO... he WAS in fact overrated, besides what anyone else said at the time.

Kesller is a verry good win... not a great win... as kessler is a very good fighter, but not a GREAT fighter, and not with a BIG win under his belt.

Bernard IS in fact 43 years old... its STILL a VERY good win... but not a GREAT win...

these arent excuses, these are valid statements...

if joe were to beat roy in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win

if joe were to beat bernard in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win...

[Kris Silver]

but all those things about those fighters ARE true...

is lacy a GREAT fighter? NO... he WAS in fact overrated, besides what anyone else said at the time.

Kesller is a verry good win... not a great win... as kessler is a very good fighter, but not a GREAT fighter, and not with a BIG win under his belt.

Bernard IS in fact 43 years old... its STILL a VERY good win... but not a GREAT win...

these arent excuses, these are valid statements...

if joe were to beat roy in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win

if joe were to beat bernard in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win...

Not really dis*****g any of that too much. What I was trying to underline is the fact that the strengths of Calzaghes opponents are talked of a lot pre fight, then when they lose all you hear are the negative aspects. You never here anyone talking of the pro's of those fighters much any more. All of it's focusing on the negatives.

You can spin most resumes out there to various degree's, and ppl do on a wide range of fighters. It's done on Calzaghe time and time over though. The negative aspects of his opponents and wins are focussed on and exaggerated, all I'm saying.

[WESS]

The Manfredo fight was bigged up by Calzaghe to begin with, but he's openly said it was just the right guy at the right time, to get more noticed in America. He planned on totally exposing him, the fact Lacy struggled with him underlines just how far below his standard they are.

He's criticised for not working himself into positions where he has a name and to get big fights in America, and he's criticsed when he doesn't. The difference now is that he's on his last fight so obviously and openly has said, he wants it to be a big one. That's what all this has worked upto. Roys proven and has the weapons to challenge him. Pavliks not as proven or such good quality, he's a Kessler esk win for Calzaghe which is difficult to get motivated for, and he wouldn't get the credit ppl claim there'd give him anyway. It's been said before.

Beat Lacy we'll respect you, he does, Lacy's overated.

Beat Kessler we'll respect you. He does, Kesslers mechanical and un proven.

Beat Hopkins, we'll respect you. He does, Hopkins shot.

The same would be true of Roy, or Pavlik.

The same would even be true of Tarver, ppl would say he's old and overated. Also of Dawson, that would get the un proven excuse.

EXACTLY MY POINT, the dude will never get credit, hes NEVER proved anything other than THROWING alot of punches and winning a UD... allllll those WINS you just stated BESIDES lacy was trash... yes he OUT BOXED kessler but looked like ****... Yes he BARLEY beat HOP... like I said we gave HIM that win... dude DIDN'T WIN ****... he just threw his arms in the air more times than HOP did..... "OLYMPIC STYLE BOXING" that **** right there is garbage... NO RESPECT.. he DIDN'T win ****... you must beat the champ not throw more punches and call it a day... dude has YET to beat anyone in the past fue years OTHER than LACY... HE BEAT the **** out of HIM.... Kessler fight was just sad and HOP fight was just pathetic....... on the flip side hop DIDN'T do much either but JOE did not win the belts... he stole them by throwing 250 SLOPPY punches and looked like a JOKE doing it..... no respect sorry..... like i said maybe in the future if he continues to fight.... WHICH i think he will.... THE MONEY will be there... no respect from me...

[WESS]

but all those things about those fighters ARE true...

is lacy a GREAT fighter? NO... he WAS in fact overrated, besides what anyone else said at the time.

Kesller is a verry good win... not a great win... as kessler is a very good fighter, but not a GREAT fighter, and not with a BIG win under his belt.

Bernard IS in fact 43 years old... its STILL a VERY good win... but not a GREAT win...

these arent excuses, these are valid statements...

if joe were to beat roy in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win

if joe were to beat bernard in 2002... it would have been a GREAT win...

well said.... I can never make it sound unbias as you do... good on ya...

[THE REED]

Not really dis*****g any of that too much. What I was trying to underline is the fact that the strengths of Calzaghes opponents are talked of a lot pre fight, then when they lose all you hear are the negative aspects. You never here anyone talking of the pro's of those fighters much any more. All of it's focusing on the negatives.

You can spin most resumes out there to various degree's, and ppl do on a wide range of fighters. It's done on Calzaghe time and time over though. The negative aspects of his opponents and wins are focussed on and exaggerated, all I'm saying.

the reason calzaghe has his resume scrutinized so much is because hes 45-0... and because his fans like to talk non stop about how hes 45-0... so you better believe were gonna talk about WHY hes 45-0.

[Kilrain]

Hmm... look, we all know Calzaghe struggled with Hopkins. He was made to look like a rank amatuer throughout much of the first half of the fight, missing, wading in, getting nailed with counters, not to mention dropped; he did pull out the W, but my no means was it easy for him, he had to dig deep and keep working because he knew if the tempo dropped Bernard had him on skill, precise punching and craftiness. Calzaghes legs won him the fight. Against Roy, well we all know Roy is a scared fighter, he is terrified of the KO and that'll cripple him against Joe. He's gonna whirl off some combos now and again but with Calzaghe steaming at him he's gonna be timid Roy, retreating to the ropes, lolling back, waiting, waiting, waiting....while Joe wins rounds.

I think it will prove that the Hopkins fight was much tougher

[WESS]

the reason calzaghe has his resume scrutinized so much is because hes 45-0... and because his fans like to talk non stop about how hes 45-0... so you better believe were gonna talk about WHY hes 45-0.

I can be 45-0 fighting bums in my home town too... lol I had too....

[IMDAZED]

the reason calzaghe has his resume scrutinized so much is because hes 45-0... and because his fans like to talk non stop about how hes 45-0... so you better believe were gonna talk about WHY hes 45-0.

Yeah but his fans don't want that. They don't want us to use hindsight either. Why do you think they keep hyping up Roy? I can see it now...

"And Joe beat a brilliant fighter in Roy. Sure, he wasn't as great as he used to be but he was on an unbeaten streak and had just soundly defeated a fellow Hall of Famer in Trinidad."

Good Lord...

[THE REED]

Hmm... look, we all know Calzaghe struggled with Hopkins. He was made to look like a rank amatuer throughout much of the first half of the fight, missing, wading in, getting nailed with counters, not to mention dropped; he did pull out the W, but my no means was it easy for him, he had to dig deep and keep working because he knew if the tempo dropped Bernard had him on skill, precise punching and craftiness. Calzaghes legs won him the fight. Against Roy, well we all know Roy is a scared fighter, he is terrified of the KO and that'll cripple him against Joe. He's gonna whirl off some combos now and again but with Calzaghe steaming at him he's gonna be timid Roy, retreating to the ropes, lolling back, waiting, waiting, waiting....while Joe wins rounds.

I think it will prove that the Hopkins fight was much tougher

yeah uh no..... hes so afraid of the KO thats why he wants this fight more than anything...

whens the last time Joe knocked anyone out.... if there was ONE guy you wanted to fight 160 and up and not worry about being knocked out.. its joe calzaghe

there will be no gun shy roy... believe that