Joe Calzaghe: "Roy Jones Fight is Tougher Than Hopkins"

[fightnews55]

Slap *** should do us all a favor and retire now....

[steptwome]

RJJ is a better fight than hopkins for the ages and a true test, why Johnson nor Tarver factor in as opponents of choice.......we all know~Risky, Low interest, Low reward fights.

[BennyST]

This **** is so hilarious to read. I wonder how many of the guys bagging Calzaghe were also saying he needed to fight Hopkins before they did fight because Hopkins had too much for him and still had a couple of good fights left? 'Cause there was a lot of people saying that. I think everyone that was saying that Hopkins would be too much for Calzaghe are all the ones now saying that Hopkins was too old etc when previously he still was strong and still had too much for him.

I don't care for Calzaghe or Jones much, but, the hypocrisy and lack of memory on this board is simply amazing! You see it with most fighters but with Calzaghe it seems to be on overdrive. Just after the Trinidad fight a **** load of people wanted Jones to fight him and thought he would be the toughest fight. Christ, this whole board wanted Jones to fight him as everyone was saying how he still had his speed, had changed his style and was now good again. Now because Pavlik knocked out a bum he is suddenly the only worthy opposition, even though he's a middleweight who would have to jump up two divisions with only one defense of his title.

It's fantastic. I wouldn't mind either fight to be honest. I really do think Pavlik would be easier for him though and despite Jones being over the hill and past his best, Calzaghe is also way past his best. Not as much as Jones of course but then Jones still has what he needs to beat Calzaghe whereas I don't think Pavlik does. Power is one thing that Calzaghe has proven time and time again will not beat him. Pavlik doesn't have the boxing skill to decision him either or the volume to simply out work him as he could Taylor. I might be off target here but I still think Jones vs Calzaghe will be closer. Calzaghe does deserve some credit for his career. He is certainly not the biggest bum to ever hold a world title as many here believe. He's a good fighter, maybe even a great one. Pity people can't get over it.

[animal22]

The 70s?? Lmao

Wasnt even born in the 80s mate!

Am relatively new to boxing like, wasnt a true fan until 2006, but now i love the sport and cant wait to see upcoming prospects like Kevin Mitchell (Legend), etc and see how the divisions pan out over the next few years... although im gutted that boxing greats such as Calzaghe and Hatton and even Mayweather will be leaving the boxing scene..

Geez Man. Do you only follow UK boxing or something?

Hatton isnt even a great. He beat a washed up Kostya Tszyu who quit while he was ahead on the cards. Who else? Carlos Maussa? Juan Urango? A shot Castillo out of his prime weight class with nothing to fight for? Im really struggling to find what you mean? Those guys are decent opponants but NO hall of Famers. Wrestling unknowns in the Uk for years and gaining a 40-0 record hardly constitutes you as great. Sure he has drawing power because he is a likable guy but he is hardly great.

Im not trying to hate but your logic is blinded by your love of the UK.

[abadger]

Geez Man. Do you only follow UK boxing or something?

Hatton isnt even a great. He beat a washed up Kostya Tszyu who quit while he was ahead on the cards. Who else? Carlos Maussa? Juan Urango? A shot Castillo out of his prime weight class with nothing to fight for? Im really struggling to find what you mean? Those guys are decent opponants but NO hall of Famers. Wrestling unknowns in the Uk for years and gaining a 40-0 record hardly constitutes you as great. Sure he has drawing power because he is a likable guy but he is hardly great.

Im not trying to hate but your logic is blinded by your love of the UK.

I can see what you're saying, but these 'unknowns' Hatton 'wrestled' are no more unknown than are the guys all boxers build up their defences against. Many of them were credible domestic rivals, who you do have to beat to get to the top. You don't know them just like I don't know many of US boxers pre- title fights and defences.

As for whether Hatton was 'great' it depends what that means. Is he one of the best boxers ever? No, of course not. Is he one of the best boxers in the world right now? Of course he is. He remains undefeated as a JWW, has won a title at WW and his only loss is to the P4P#1 boxer in the world. He is an excellent boxer. Think about it, who can you say for sure beats him at 140? Probably no-one. Bradley is likely the best shout and even that is asking a lot of the young man.

So, I'm not saying you're wrong exactly, just suggesting its a good idea to think a little bit. Someone who is capable of being 'the man' at his chosen weight usually is a pretty great boxer, but thats not the same as being one of the greatest ever.

[animal22]

Obviously I know who Prince Naseem is! He was British like! Lol
He was no Barry McGuigan tho! Do u know who he is???

Also Shane Mosley is no Legendary fighter and def wouldnt be one of my favourites...


Also danc2352525 i agree with the Manfredo stoppage, should never have happened was gutted... looking forward to a good fight like! lol

Did I just read this?? This is the same person who just called RICKY HATTON great.

Now its cool if you like him and hes one of your fav fighters but how in the world could you think he has done more than Shane Mosley?

[animal22]

Obviously I know who Prince Naseem is! He was British like! Lol
He was no Barry McGuigan tho! Do u know who he is???

Also Shane Mosley is no Legendary fighter and def wouldnt be one of my favourites...


Also danc2352525 i agree with the Manfredo stoppage, should never have happened was gutted... looking forward to a good fight like! lol

I can see what you're saying, but these 'unknowns' Hatton 'wrestled' are no more unknown than are the guys all boxers build up their defences against. Many of them were credible domestic rivals, who you do have to beat to get to the top. You don't know them just like I don't know many of US boxers pre- title fights and defences.

As for whether Hatton was 'great' it depends what that means. Is he one of the best boxers ever? No, of course not. Is he one of the best boxers in the world right now? Of course he is. He remains undefeated as a JWW, has won a title at WW and his only loss is to the P4P#1 boxer in the world. He is an excellent boxer. Think about it, who can you say for sure beats him at 140? Probably no-one. Bradley is likely the best shout and even that is asking a lot of the young man.

So, I'm not saying you're wrong exactly, just suggesting its a good idea to think a little bit. Someone who is capable of being 'the man' at his chosen weight usually is a pretty great boxer, but thats not the same as being one of the greatest ever.

I see your points sure. But besides the regular defences what elite fighters has he beat? Kostya Thats all. Sure he puts on a good show and hes a good fighter but come on this kid just dissed Mosley who has fought EVERYONE. If Hatton can beat 2 HOFamers or at least 3 or 4 people on the level of say a Zab Judah we can say he was great.

Getting a gift against Collazo doesnt count either.

If Hatton was truly P4P or elite he should be able to move up to WW and handle someone like Collazo fairly easily(kinda like Shane Mosley did). YOU ALSO SEE THE FACT THAT HE HASNT FOUGHT ANYONE WHO EVEN A THREAT AT JWW(besides Kostya who we already talked about). That says it all right there. And they werent threats because he is so good its because the division is pretty weak.

We'll see how he fairs with Malignaggi, but he isnt a "great" or P4P. Hatton wont fight Witter who ist great either........seriously not trying to ***** about the guy but Im not impressed with his resume yet.

[Kris Silver]

This **** is so hilarious to read. I wonder how many of the guys bagging Calzaghe were also saying he needed to fight Hopkins before they did fight because Hopkins had too much for him and still had a couple of good fights left? 'Cause there was a lot of people saying that. I think everyone that was saying that Hopkins would be too much for Calzaghe are all the ones now saying that Hopkins was too old etc when previously he still was strong and still had too much for him.

I don't care for Calzaghe or Jones much, but, the hypocrisy and lack of memory on this board is simply amazing! You see it with most fighters but with Calzaghe it seems to be on overdrive. Just after the Trinidad fight a **** load of people wanted Jones to fight him and thought he would be the toughest fight. Christ, this whole board wanted Jones to fight him as everyone was saying how he still had his speed, had changed his style and was now good again. Now because Pavlik knocked out a bum he is suddenly the only worthy opposition, even though he's a middleweight who would have to jump up two divisions with only one defense of his title.

It's fantastic. I wouldn't mind either fight to be honest. I really do think Pavlik would be easier for him though and despite Jones being over the hill and past his best, Calzaghe is also way past his best. Not as much as Jones of course but then Jones still has what he needs to beat Calzaghe whereas I don't think Pavlik does. Power is one thing that Calzaghe has proven time and time again will not beat him. Pavlik doesn't have the boxing skill to decision him either or the volume to simply out work him as he could Taylor. I might be off target here but I still think Jones vs Calzaghe will be closer. Calzaghe does deserve some credit for his career. He is certainly not the biggest bum to ever hold a world title as many here believe. He's a good fighter, maybe even a great one. Pity people can't get over it.

Terrific post and fair. Green k for you.

Totally agree and is what I and several people have long said. The mood and words on a fighter and fight change post fight to suite peoples bias's, when they previously tried to undermine the guy saying he'd lose to the last guy, and didn't. It's just constantly the next step in trying to undermine a fighter to suite your bias.

[WESS]

This **** is so hilarious to read. I wonder how many of the guys bagging Calzaghe were also saying he needed to fight Hopkins before they did fight because Hopkins had too much for him and still had a couple of good fights left? 'Cause there was a lot of people saying that. I think everyone that was saying that Hopkins would be too much for Calzaghe are all the ones now saying that Hopkins was too old etc when previously he still was strong and still had too much for him.

I don't care for Calzaghe or Jones much, but, the hypocrisy and lack of memory on this board is simply amazing! You see it with most fighters but with Calzaghe it seems to be on overdrive. Just after the Trinidad fight a **** load of people wanted Jones to fight him and thought he would be the toughest fight. Christ, this whole board wanted Jones to fight him as everyone was saying how he still had his speed, had changed his style and was now good again. Now because Pavlik knocked out a bum he is suddenly the only worthy opposition, even though he's a middleweight who would have to jump up two divisions with only one defense of his title.

It's fantastic. I wouldn't mind either fight to be honest. I really do think Pavlik would be easier for him though and despite Jones being over the hill and past his best, Calzaghe is also way past his best. Not as much as Jones of course but then Jones still has what he needs to beat Calzaghe whereas I don't think Pavlik does. Power is one thing that Calzaghe has proven time and time again will not beat him. Pavlik doesn't have the boxing skill to decision him either or the volume to simply out work him as he could Taylor. I might be off target here but I still think Jones vs Calzaghe will be closer. Calzaghe does deserve some credit for his career. He is certainly not the biggest bum to ever hold a world title as many here believe. He's a good fighter, maybe even a great one. Pity people can't get over it.

good and fair post, something I don't always have but I don't agree 100%. I don't really care if he was too face PAV... my point is HOW do you agree to face Peter Manfredo and THEN say PAVLIK is not worthy (especially after beating his daddy's fighter up)... that is just ****... and hypocritical! Also, his career defining moment that actually meant something and got his name known to the SPORT of boxing was LACY... that's it.. all that other BACKYARD fighting BS is all irrelevant and means nothing other than he beat a bunch of BUMS (sometimes twice) and he is still undefeated. YOU put him in the ring with a semi TOP contender and he barley gets by or he wins by UD but looks **** the entire fight and wins by just throwing many punches or "OLYMPIC STYLE SCORING" if I may call it. I don't respect that, especially when he mouths being a legend when his career states otherwise... if he were to stay in the game for another 2 to 4 years and faces top dogs and wipes the floor clean then he will have my respect... and don't say BUT, BUT BUT HE'S TOO OLD.... its not my fault the chump waited 10 years to TRY and prove anything... that's his problem... Jones PROVED himself and is still fighting and he fell off awhile back is now trying to pick up the pieces of his career... GOOD ON HIM,... it takes a real man and a real warrior to get up off the floor twice like he did and still get in the ring and fight again.. that's why he will be remembered and get credit for this fight if he wins... JOE on the other hand is a LOSE LOSE situation.. if he wins so what he beat the OLD JONES (PEOPLE WILL SAY) if he losses he will prove many haters and boxing fanatics including myself RIGHT.... that he was a chump and not what people have made him out to be, and that his last TWO opponents of his pathetic career where OLD guys and he barley got by one and lost to the other... sad... but I give no respect as of this time..... again trying not to hate but I hate fighters like him in the SPORT of BOXING. Maybe in time I will "learn" to respect him. But as of now as BOXING fan who LOVES the sport I can not.....

[WESS]

I see your points sure. But besides the regular defences what elite fighters has he beat? Kostya Thats all. Sure he puts on a good show and hes a good fighter but come on this kid just dissed Mosley who has fought EVERYONE. If Hatton can beat 2 HOFamers or at least 3 or 4 people on the level of say a Zab Judah we can say he was great.

Getting a gift against Collazo doesnt count either.

If Hatton was truly P4P or elite he should be able to move up to WW and handle someone like Collazo fairly easily(kinda like Shane Mosley did). YOU ALSO SEE THE FACT THAT HE HASNT FOUGHT ANYONE WHO EVEN A THREAT AT JWW(besides Kostya who we already talked about). That says it all right there. And they werent threats because he is so good its because the division is pretty weak.

We'll see how he fairs with Malignaggi, but he isnt a "great" or P4P. Hatton wont fight Witter who ist great either........seriously not trying to ***** about the guy but Im not impressed with his resume yet.

The little guy already said he's new to the sport (06)... so you can take .00000000001% of what he says is serious and the rest you can just scan right past... lol dude talked **** about Mosley, that right there just means you need to be bitched SLAPPED UP SIDE the head while being called a ****** multiple times..... he should A: Learn more about boxing before he speaks again or B: just not never speak again....