"HBO Should Have Forced Calzaghe-Pavlik," Says Arum

[Sir_Joe]

and does this make joe great because "people" said he would lose?


i dont care what a million people said might happen ... and then judge the outcome based on that...


i look at WHO he beat... two unproven fighters and a 43 year old...

that sounds harsh, and maybe it is... but it is the truth...


ricky hatton didnt fight 43 floyd mayweathers because if he did hed be 0 and 43

and calzaghe didnt fight 45 prime roy jones'

Jones fights weight drained Toney, Old McCallum, considered retirement to join Basketball because HBO tried to make him fight a live body. He fought a slow Ruiz and finally got exposed against Tarver.

[Boofdatruth]

NOT if you want to be P4P.. you prove to everyone you can beat anyone with in a reasonable weight limit.... P4P right, isnt that what it means? But hey I agree with ya... I wouldnt see why PAV wouldnt move up anyway... I think he punches like an average LHW anyway....

The man is about to retire. Why dosn't Pav go to 175 if he wants the fight so bad. Cal gave up his super middle title. Go to 175 Pav. You don't challenge a man, then ask for a catch weight. lol

[WESS]

Cal punches hard enough to stay undefeated.

no lol, cal slaps or punches if you will, enough to over whelm and when BY points... that's all he does... nothing hard about them... just A LOT of them....

[THE REED]

Who did Pav beat lol. He beat a bum, and Jermaine Taylor. That same old man hop, many thought beat Jermaine boith times. Hop makes everyone look bad. cal is fighting Jones, get over it. Now Pav can fight Abraham, a man who can knok his ass out. Tell bumper car head to fight Abraham. he called him out lol.

im not talking about pavlik, im talking about joe.

usual, i wont respond to what you said, ill just bash someone else to get out of it

[Boofdatruth]

you forgot to add Peter Manfredo to the mix, he was VERY un-proven... ONLY reason I mention that dude is because JOE wanted that fight and JOE called him a "WORLD CLASS FIGHTER" sooooooooooooooooooooooooo when everyone calls out JONES jr last 3 or 4 fights, lets look at Joes last fights.. I will agree they were bigger names but unproven. besides B-HOP.... and he BARLEY pulled that out of his ass... a 43 year laughed at him... LAUGHED.... a OLD MAN laughs at you in a fight, i'm sorry that's funny...

I will add, I did have Kessler winning there fight... so I was wrong...

I can't believe you are hyping Pav up like he is some monster. He has beaten nobody yet...lol

[WESS]

it doesnt matter what he was doing before lacy.... his best wins started at lacy

DING DING SING, ladies and gents.. we have a winner.... KEY WORDS man, key words..... that is exactly what I've been saying....

[WESS]

The man is about to retire. Why dosn't Pav go to 175 if he wants the fight so bad. Cal gave up his super middle title. Go to 175 Pav. You don't challenge a man, then ask for a catch weight. lol

I was agreeing with you... I think PAV will... I think too much money will be there for Joe to turn away...

[Boofdatruth]

no lol, cal slaps or punches if you will, enough to over whelm and when BY points... that's all he does... nothing hard about them... just A LOT of them....

Yeah, and it kept him undefeated. Pav hasn't fought anybody ok, anybody. When he gets 5 defenses, then you can talk lol. Why didn't he ask AA to side step Marquez and make the fight? AA said his name. Pav hasn't said anything yet. Now he is fighting Paul Williams lol.

[THE REED]

Jones fights weight drained Toney, Old McCallum, considered retirement to join Basketball because HBO tried to make him fight a live body. He fought a slow Ruiz and finally got exposed against Tarver.

the difference is he fought bernard hopkins for the MW belt... roy had one more pro fight than bhop...

then MOVED UP (Thats the key) and fought 44-0 toney... weight drained blah blah... when has toney NOT been weight drained? and roy moved up from MW to fight him?

then MOVED UP to LHW...

Then MOVED up to HW

then came BACK DOWN


there wasnt nobody to fight, so he did what he should of done... MOVE UP...

and ruiz is a 2 time HW champion... whats roy gonna do, fight lennox lewis? thats not even fair... john was a hw title holder, and more roys size.. it makes sense.



joe sat, in the weakest division, stagnet, his entire career.

[WESS]

I can't believe you are hyping Pav up like he is some monster. He has beaten nobody yet...lol

I'm not hyping, dude is still young and I still him doing very well for himself... not hyping just stating BASED on his last few fights... he his a good puncher with a hell of a chin....