"HBO Should Have Forced Calzaghe-Pavlik," Says Arum

[abadger]

so calzaghe deserves credit, because SOME fans blew Lacy up to tyson?

no those people are idiots, lacy was an unproven prospect...

Kessler was a good, yet unproven fighter... unproven meeaning, who has he fought? it WAS a good win... but STILL, its not a main highlight I would want my resume to have

and your ring LHW champion was 43 years old... credit? sure... bernards still a good fighter... but hes 43.... how MUCH credit can you give..


it may sound like a bunch of excuses.. but those are all equally good points..

Point being, with Lacy, Hopkins and Kessler loads of people said they would beat Joe. When they didn't suddenly they became 'hyped', 'old', 'unproven'. Exactly the same thing would happen with Pavlik.

[WESS]

You don't seem to get it. There is no catch weight whn you challenge a man. Cal is at 175, if Pav wants the fight, go to 175. That is kind of punkish to ask an man who is about to retire to move down in weight.

NOT if you want to be P4P.. you prove to everyone you can beat anyone with in a reasonable weight limit.... P4P right, isnt that what it means? But hey I agree with ya... I wouldnt see why PAV wouldnt move up anyway... I think he punches like an average LHW anyway....

[WESS]

Point being, with Lacy, Hopkins and Kessler loads of people said they would beat Joe. When they didn't suddenly they became 'hyped', 'old', 'unproven'. Exactly the same thing would happen with Pavlik.

naaa I dont think so.... Especially if PAV takes on one or 2 more fights and KO's them... I dont think they can discredit PAV... Hes young, PRIME, and Has a hell of a punch with ONE hell of a CHIN... i dont think you can take anything away from a win over PAV...

[THE REED]

Point being, with Lacy, Hopkins and Kessler loads of people said they would beat Joe. When they didn't suddenly they became 'hyped', 'old', 'unproven'. Exactly the same thing would happen with Pavlik.

and does this make joe great because "people" said he would lose?


i dont care what a million people said might happen ... and then judge the outcome based on that...


i look at WHO he beat... two unproven fighters and a 43 year old...

that sounds harsh, and maybe it is... but it is the truth...


ricky hatton didnt fight 43 floyd mayweathers because if he did hed be 0 and 43

and calzaghe didnt fight 45 prime roy jones'

[Boofdatruth]

Naa PAV can come in as MW and still KO a LHW Calzaghe.... Cal punches like a FW.. and Im not cracking on Joe just stating what I see every fight...

Cal punches hard enough to stay undefeated.

[Boofdatruth]

and does this make joe great because "people" said he would lose?


i dont care what a million people said might happen ... and then judge the outcome based on that...


i look at WHO he beat... two unproven fighters and a 43 year old...

that sounds harsh, and maybe it is... but it is the truth...


ricky hatton didnt fight 43 floyd mayweathers because if he did hed be 0 and 43

and calzaghe didnt fight 45 prime roy jones'

Who did Pav beat lol. He beat a bum, and Jermaine Taylor. That same old man hop, many thought beat Jermaine boith times. Hop makes everyone look bad. cal is fighting Jones, get over it. Now Pav can fight Abraham, a man who can knok his ass out. Tell bumper car head to fight Abraham. he called him out lol.

[abadger]

and does this make joe great because "people" said he would lose?


i dont care what a million people said might happen ... and then judge the outcome based on that...


i look at WHO he beat... two unproven fighters and a 43 year old...

that sounds harsh, and maybe it is... but it is the truth...


ricky hatton didnt fight 43 floyd mayweathers because if he did hed be 0 and 43

and calzaghe didnt fight 45 prime roy jones'

And prior to the Jeff Lacy fight Joe was doing what exactly? I am tired of this debate.

[Boofdatruth]

naaa I dont think so.... Especially if PAV takes on one or 2 more fights and KO's them... I dont think they can discredit PAV... Hes young, PRIME, and Has a hell of a punch with ONE hell of a CHIN... i dont think you can take anything away from a win over PAV...

He hasn't even been hit by anyone. Jermaine can't punch. Pav hasn't been hit by abraham yet who is a true middle with power. AA will test boulder heads chin. A real true middleweight. Jermaine couldn't box, keep it real.

[WESS]

and does this make joe great because "people" said he would lose?


i dont care what a million people said might happen ... and then judge the outcome based on that...


i look at WHO he beat... two unproven fighters and a 43 year old...

that sounds harsh, and maybe it is... but it is the truth...


ricky hatton didnt fight 43 floyd mayweathers because if he did hed be 0 and 43

and calzaghe didnt fight 45 prime roy jones'

you forgot to add Peter Manfredo to the mix, he was VERY un-proven... ONLY reason I mention that dude is because JOE wanted that fight and JOE called him a "WORLD CLASS FIGHTER" sooooooooooooooooooooooooo when everyone calls out JONES jr last 3 or 4 fights, lets look at Joes last fights.. I will agree they were bigger names but unproven. besides B-HOP.... and he BARLEY pulled that out of his ass... a 43 year laughed at him... LAUGHED.... a OLD MAN laughs at you in a fight, i'm sorry that's funny...

I will add, I did have Kessler winning there fight... so I was wrong...

[THE REED]

And prior to the Jeff Lacy fight Joe was doing what exactly? I am tired of this debate.

it doesnt matter what he was doing before lacy.... his best wins started at lacy