Substitute Soto with Urbano Antillon at lightweight

[slicksouthpaw16]

Antillion was being out hustled by Bobby Pacquaio when Bobby had the heart the fight in that first round. Humberto Soto and Manny Pacquaio both would beat him covicingly IMO. I didn't really see any star quality in him. I seen a fighter that could make good exciting fights with fighters at the top of the division, but thats pretty much it.

[baCCaT]

antillon vs khan?

what you think?

[MaYaN_SuN]

Here's the sparring. I say Valero is a much better boxer in sparring than in his actual fights and he's got the best in this sparring session with Antillon, although I think the bad incentive/bonus (1st round KOs) that Valero's manager/promoter has been dangling has made Valero's boxing skills deteriorate. He seems to throw all he picked up from his sparring sessions out of the window each and every time the bells rings (specially the 1st round) in each and every round he fought.

It's been 4 years and Antillon has improved by leaps and bounds, and I'm pretty sure Antillon can give a lot more fight than Valero can give to Pacquiao BUT, he's a dime a dozen in Mexico, while Valero has this unknown mystery going for him, add his immaculate record (24-0-0, 24 KOs), plus a legitimate alphabet belt makes him more enticing to most boxing fans...

Thats my point, watchin Valero spar is like watchin a decent fighter lol, but outside of sparring... him, Edison Miranda, and Daniel Ponce De Leon all have the same flawed style. They all look like Vladimir Klitschko when they're in there, just without the disiciplined straight shots. With the exception of Valero, Miranda and Daniel have both fell to more technically sound fighters with power. I really doubt Valero ends up to be otherwise let alone a dominate lightweight, but he's havin trouble makin weight aswell, so he might end up as a Miranda for the lightweights. And yeah that mystery factor will play a part, will or will he not be able to carry his left hand up in weight? Not only that but does he have a chin?

Thats the slight buzz Valero has over Antilon. But still, baiting Humberto Soto to come out of his element is just flat out shadey.

Get a real ****in lightweight in there, Soto needs to solidify his spot at 130 and wait for Yuriokis. Soto has no business what so ever at movin up to ****in lightweight. He'd be completely ineffective.




You want another Mexican for Paq? Give him Urbano, he's at lightweight, he's a strong prospect. Make that **** happen.

[MaYaN_SuN]

You're a ****ing joke mayan

For months you've bitched about Pac ducking Soto and Valero

Just before the Diaz fight you still claimed even at lightweight both guys would dispose of Pac in impressive fashion.

And yet now that he's finally getting around to them pretty much overnight you've dumped both of them for a guy who's resume is just as big a blank as Valero.

Soto and Guzman was who I was stressin. Before that, I don't even know how long I thought Valero was Linares, if I would have known Valero was that guy that fights like a ****in monkey lmao, I would have never mentioned his name. At 130 Edwin gets completely dismantled by everyone, the ****in guy fights like a space monkey that was trained to box.

And Back when Paq was still just a skinny little ****er, before he got molded into a lightweight, him vs Soto would have been brutal.

Now give Soto a year or two to throw down all those nutrional supplements, let him gradually grow bigger suddenly and gradually get molded for 135, and yeah..you got a legitmate lightweight bout.


But since that's not the case. PUT A REAL ****IN LIGHTWEIGHT IN THERE. **** all that baitin smaller guys to come up and out their element.


You want another Mexican for lightweight? Antillon's your boy.

And it's not like it matters, the average flip fan is a ****in ****** anyway, if Antillon wins. Just find a Mexican bum for Paq and you guys will go nuts lol.

[MaYaN_SuN]

Antillion was being out hustled by Bobby Pacquaio when Bobby had the heart the fight in that first round. Humberto Soto and Manny Pacquaio both would beat him covicingly IMO. I didn't really see any star quality in him. I seen a fighter that could make good exciting fights with fighters at the top of the division, but thats pretty much it.

lol The ******ed Flip fans I was talkin about ^^


The moment Urbano decided to throw, Bobby Paq collapsed. Urbano's a natural ****in lightweight lol, the fight lasted one round lmao, and you still managed to decipher all that? Soto and Manny get past Urbano?

lol **** outta here, Urbano walks through both. Especially Soto. Soto has no ****in business at lightweight. Urbano takes Soto's more narrow frame out of the picture within 3 rounds.

Ultimately Soto would have a better chance at lightweight if he TOO got fed all those nutritions to be gradually built into a lightweight over a year or two. Gradually and comfortably built him up to the weight, then yes, any lightweight fight for a fighter like Soto would be legit.



I mean seriously, do you guys even watch these fights with anything other then your ass? Do you even understand why weightclasses are defined by a little 5 pounds? Cause 5 pounds doesn't mean **** if you're body mass and frame can hold it.

[gopi11]

I mean seriously, do you guys even watch these fights with anything other then your ass? Do even understand why weightclasses are defined by a little 5 pounds? Cause 5 pounds doesn't mean **** if you're body mass and frame can hold it.

lol! Look who's talking out of his ass? Soto's been to 140, Pacquiao has not.
Soto is an inch taller than Pacquiao, he'll be fine at 135. Are you privy to Soto's camp Mayan? Are you sure he's not having difficulty making 130? After having a DQ loss or a No Contest or whatever Sulaiman decides in his next breakfast meeting on your last fight, would you turn down the biggest payday of your career? And before you pimp Antillon here, be sure to talk to his manager/promoter and make sure he'll bring a bagful of Benjamins, because it's not Pacman's camp who's suppose to make this fight, but your ***** Antillon. You can bite me if you can get the answers to these questions, but for now, please stfu...

[MaYaN_SuN]

lol! Look who's talking out of his ass? Soto's been to 140, Pacquiao has not.
Soto is an inch taller than Pacquiao, he'll be fine at 135. Are you privy to Soto's camp Mayan? Are you sure he's not having difficulty making 130? After having a DQ loss or a No Contest or whatever Sulaiman decides in his next breakfast meeting on your last fight, would you turn down the biggest payday of your career? And before you pimp Antillon here, be sure to talk to his manager/promoter and make sure he'll bring a bagful of Benjamins, because it's not Pacman's camp who's suppose to make this fight, but your ***** Antillon. You can bite me if you can get the answers to these questions, but for now, please stfu...

lol Soto went all the way up to 140 for a guy who loses for a living. That doesn't mean ****. A **** fighter is a **** fighter, I mean Paq as weak as he is at lightweight got by David Diaz with ease lmao. 9 rounds of free shots and Diaz falls. Diaz is ass skill-wise. The guy almost lost to a shot Morales. An ass fighter is exactly that, an ass fighter. No disprespect to David...nothin but love, but he doesn't have anything to offer other then his toughness at this point.


And Paul Williams is taller then the entire Welterweight elite...lol Doesnt mean he'll be great at Middlweight, let alone light middleweight. He'll get laid out.


And ff course Soto will have problems turning it down, he's a fighter, he thinks he can win every fight. But him moving up to lightweight, well, lets just say he'll have an epiphany afterwards. He'll realize the difference AND the significance of these weightclasses. You can't just jump from one to the other at will and expect to produce the same action and effectiveness.


And why you bringin up money like it has to do with the skill of either fighter?

lol You soundin like a Mayweather fan makin excuses for some dumb ****..



**** the money. Soto vs Paq at lightweight is flat out rediculous. Soto doesn't belong at lightweight and he doesnt deserve to be tricked with cash to movin up to lightweight.



But Roach's twitchin ass and Paq fans want another bout between Manny and a Mexican fighter?

lol Antillon is right there, he meets the same specifications as a Valero, who was Paq's first preference, except ANTILLON IS AN ACTUAL LIGHTWEIGHT.

[gopi11]

lol Soto went all the way up to 140 for a guy who loses for a living. That doesn't mean ****. A **** fighter is a **** fighter, I mean Paq as weak as he is at lightweight got by David Diaz with ease lmao. 9 rounds of free shots and Diaz falls. Diaz is ass skill-wise. The guy almost lost to a shot Morales. An ass fighter is exactly that, an ass fighter. No disprespect to David...nothin but love, but he doesn't have anything to offer other then his toughness at this point.


And Paul Williams is taller then the entire Welterweight elite...lol Doesnt mean he'll be great at Middlweight, let alone light middleweight. He'll get laid out.


And ff course Soto will have problems turning it down, he's a fighter, he thinks he can win every fight. But him moving up to lightweight, well, lets just say he'll have an epiphany afterwards. He'll realize the difference AND the significance of these weightclasses. You can't just jump from one to the other at will and expect to produce the same action and effectiveness.


And why you bringin up money like it has to do with the skill of either fighter?

lol You soundin like a Mayweather fan makin excuses for some dumb ****..



**** the money. Soto vs Paq at lightweight is flat out rediculous. Soto doesn't belong at lightweight and he doesnt deserve to be tricked with cash to movin up to lightweight.



But Roach's twitchin ass and Paq fans want another bout between Manny and a Mexican fighter?

lol Antillon is right there, he meets the same specifications as a Valero, who was Paq's first preference, except ANTILLON IS AN ACTUAL LIGHTWEIGHT.

Just like you, I don't want the Soto fight, but be realistic about Antillon, you're shooting for the stars here. Money and lots of them is the only way Antillon can get closer to Pacman. Talking **** ain't cutting it.

Get back to me if Antillon's camp has something to offer, but for now, let's just hope that Valero's medical record gets approved in Nevada, or Don King and Bob Arum gets the Campbell/ Pacquiao fight done, or else we will have to make do with Bob Arum's home cooking..

[Komander]

Here's a little video of Antillon disposing of Bobby Pacquiao in the first round. ENJOY!

[MaYaN_SuN]

Just like you, I don't want the Soto fight, but be realistic about Antillon, you're shooting for the stars here. Money and lots of them is the only way Antillon can get closer to Pacman. Talking **** ain't cutting it.

Get back to me if Antillon's camp has something to offer, but for now, let's just hope that Valero's medical record gets approved in Nevada, or Don King and Bob Arum gets the Campbell/ Pacquiao fight done, or else we will have to make do with Bob Arum's home cooking..

So?

I don't give a **** what a twitchin ass coach or a shadey ass promoter wants, I don't give a **** about money.

A fight with Antillon wouldn't bring in any less cash then a fight with Valero would anyways. **** the money, what are we ****in bankers? What kind of ****** **** is that to be talkin about?


Get back at you when Antillons camp has somthin to offer? Lmao Ok George Steinbrenner. Will do. Keep that line open.






Soto has no business at lightweight, Antillon's already a lightweight. Make that **** happen Roachhh, make that **** happen Paq fannssss. Lets do thisss!