Who should be ranked higher? Floyd or Jones Jr.?

[j.razor]

roy would've been 44-1 if he had retired at floyd's age......and that 1 was the joe cortez-type disqualification.

&? Mayweather wuz 17-0 in his 1st title bout...

[Williamb45]

You stated that Corales spent time in jail and was not mentally right for the fight, is that not trying to discrediting someone's win while making excuses for the other?

U did the same with toney... By the way toney was having weight issues most of his career, we just know about this particular one because he lost. And I agree with you on Corales situation, once you willingly step into the ring, then no more excuses (for most occasions). If you are not 100%, its your fault, you should have prepared better.

The only valid excuse is a shot fighter, way past his best. Calzaghe beating jones now by no means means he is historically the better fighter.

[crold1]

Roy by a landslide. he beat better fighters and it's not close. It's that simple.

[Left Hook Tua]

&? Mayweather wuz 17-0 in his 1st title bout...

you were talking about floyd retiring undefeated.

if roy didn't get screwed over during the 1st montell fight and had retired same age as floyd he would've done the same.

roy is better that floyd skill-wise and talent-wise. his resume is better as well.

[crold1]

Retiring undfeated is a mark of talent, but also luck, timing, and who you don't fight. Ricardo Lopez retired undefeated...but didn't face Carbajal, Gonzalez, Johnson, Arbachakov.

Ottke retired undefeated...but didn't fight Calzaghe.

Marciano retired undefeated...but he was like a decade younger than his division's best.

[Stab Judah]

To me Roy is better but Floyd did more so it depends on what you rate by.
I think in the end Roy will be rated higher because of his era 'he fought at the same time as so many greats' and because he has held a better public image for the most part.

Floyd is a better all around fighter but Roy could do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted to do it.

So to me you see Floyd at his tip top as good as he's going to get level.
I don't think we ever got that out of Roy which means that if he was that good while holding something back then what would he have been if he went all out?

It's like when Michael Jordan would go out and score say 20 points which is about average for the best players in the game.
The thing is he didn't even break a sweat doing it and the others are giving everything they have just to match him.
So in the end you could see how if he felt like giving a little more he would have went for 60 on that same night.

To me it's the same thing Roy never really had to give all of himself in order to become one of the all time greats which shows that he could have been 'the greatest' at any time.