Can Joan guzman beat Paquiao?

[IMDAZED]

he never had freddy roach back then i dont think, he is a far better boxer now than he was then

What shows that he is a far better boxer? Because he outboxed David Diaz? **** no. I don't see how Manny has improved his boxing skills since the loss to Morales.

[da_beast]

What shows that he is a far better boxer? Because he outboxed David Diaz? **** no. I don't see how Manny has improved his boxing skills since the loss to Morales.

He is harder to hit and has far more head movement than he used to and covers up his body more. If you cant see that then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

He is also trying to come in from more angles than the straight left down the middle

[IMDAZED]

He is harder to hit and has far more head movement than he used to and covers up his body more. If you cant see that then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

He is also trying to come in from more angles than the straight left down the middle

He is harder to hit? Funny, I didn't notice that in the Marquez fight. Which fight are you referring to?

[da_beast]

He is harder to hit? Funny, I didn't notice that in the Marquez fight. Which fight are you referring to?

Thats because Marquez is a p4p top 5 boxer and whoever he fights he will land.

Are you seriously trying to say you have seen no improvement in mannys boxing and defense skills since the first fight with Morales?

Its plain to see

[IMDAZED]

Thats because Marquez is a p4p top 5 boxer and whoever he fights he will land.

Are you seriously trying to say you have seen no improvement in mannys boxing and defense skills since the first fight with Morales?

Its plain to see

Yeah, against elite fighters he looked like the same Manny. Isn't that what I'm saying?

So what fights did you see improvement? Against guys like Diaz?

[GTL]

Out boxed and out brawled using your words.

can you see Guzman having a chin like Morales or being able to brawl like Morales? Guzman is not even close to a brawler manny will tear him up in six rounds.....

Guzman is a great boxer... at the lower weights but he is way out of his depth against arguably the worlds best p4p

I'll be sure to bump this thread when the fight happens and see whats up

[Chups]

Thats because Marquez is a p4p top 5 boxer and whoever he fights he will land.

Are you seriously trying to say you have seen no improvement in mannys boxing and defense skills since the first fight with Morales?

Its plain to see

Maybe what he has right now is enough to beat any elite fighters in his weightclass. Whether he improved or not doesn't matter, I surely don't want him to improve coz I like the "exciting Manny"...not the "calculating Manny".

[El Jesus]

He is harder to hit and has far more head movement than he used to and covers up his body more. If you cant see that then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

He is also trying to come in from more angles than the straight left down the middle

JMM Caught him a bunch of times by simply waiting for pac to start his assault and countering him. Guzman can do everything marquez can do with better movement and more handspeed. Guzman is a problem, he can move and he can use the shoulder roll effectively, he also took Soto/Barrios shots, and also, there is NO garuntee that pac wont gas out and get frustrated. You guys overestimate power and underestimate counterpunching and defense. This fight is pacmans worst nightmare and hes not gonna be able to just jump in and wail away.

[GTL]

JMM Caught him a bunch of times by simply waiting for pac to start his assault and countering him. Guzman can do everything marquez can do with better movement and more handspeed. Guzman is a problem, he can move and he can use the shoulder roll effectively, he also took Soto/Barrios shots, and also, there is NO garuntee that pac wont gas out and get frustrated. You guys overestimate power and underestimate counterpunching and defense. This fight is pacmans worst nightmare and hes not gonna be able to just jump in and wail away.

Good post..
I'm glad we have some rational, knowledgable posters here..

Manny's power will be neutralized..

[da_beast]

I'll be sure to bump this thread when the fight happens and see whats up

Bump... Fight never happened but Mannys career has flourished and Guzmans has been one of the biggest wastes of talent i have ever seen...