Its July 3, and I am saying it right now.

[Mozza]

For beating Margarito?
Please.

I said he isn't far away from having a legitimate claim. To clarify, once he disposes of Margarito he will presumably fight, and beat, Oscar De La Hoya. After that, wins over Paul Williams and Andre Berto would see him undisputed king of the division. Cotto is top five material right now, by the end of the year Calzaghe will have retired and Cotto should have two more notable scalps on his resume which would make it a toss up between him and Pacman.

[Scott9945]

Exactly in the fashion you just did.
Mosley had beaten an old Vargas twice and then decisioned Collazo.
Is that top 5 welterweight worthy?
Can you deny Mosley was at the end of his career?

Yes, Judah had lost a close, competitive decision to Baldomir, then lost to Floyd by a far wider margin. Following that, he had a no contest against Ruban Galavan.
Then he fought Miguel Cotto.
How is that NOT carefully selecting your opponent?? 0-2-1 in his last 3 fights!

And Julio was an unproved prospect, as was Quintiana.
He had a pretty good decision win, but Cotto was still the heavy favorite because....Carlos was a nobody...

Get a grip, you keep making excuses for Cotto even though it is blatently obvious that his opposition has been carefully selected to suit his needs to reach the top and look impressive.

And I am not even saiying there is anything WRONG with that, its just that his fanboys and nuthuggers talk all this "Cotto will face anybody talk, he has no fear, etc etc, when its not even close to the truth.

Mosley is still active, so the end of his career is not yet determined. But while he clearly is past his prime, he is an easy fight for no one. Like I said, if you examined any unbiased welterweight ratings before the Cotto fight Shane was in the top five. As a matter of fact, he still is.

Judah looked awful against the journeyman Baldomir. Cotto not being as advanced as Floyd used him as a building block in his career. Since it sold out MSG there was obviously enough interest to make the fight.

Quintana was unbeaten, and he just pulled off what was considered as major upset over Julio. Even after Cotto tore him up he still proved that he was legitimate in beating the much avoided Paul Williams.

Every well managed fighter like Cotto is matched carefully. But unlike Mayweather, he is looking to beat the best welterweights in the world. While Floyd is an incredible talent, many fans and media feel that his reign as a welterweight title holder was a major disappointment. I'm not saying that there aren't two sides to the story or that none of your points are valid.

[Scott9945]

His hand was not broken, but it most certianly was severly injured, seeing as after he landed his uppercut, he lost rounds 5-11 after winning the first 4 on any judges competent scorecards.
Tony came out with the W, and he deserved it, but he was not able to stop Clottey, who had one hand to fight with, and proved to be susceptible to a boxer who can stick and move.
Add that in with his loss to Williams and Santos, and there you have it.

What I really want is for you to tell me that Margarito is not a one dimensional brawler...

Tell me something, does somebody with a "severely injured" hand fight again only four months later? Not likely.

Margarito is what most people would categorize as one dimensional. Of course some of the greatest fighters ever fit that description. Success in boxing is determined by results, not style. Margarito is a tough fight for anyone in his weight class.

[eazy_mas]

there is no win that is a bad win.

I would win anyone who is in front of him.

all fighters are good at this stage of this career they fought many fight and have long hours of preparing for it.

So winning as seen in the tv doesnt show what the true feeling of a win in boxing.

imagine waking up early in the morning for jogging and then couple of training at noon and in afternoon. you dont get to eat things you like. temptations and alot of temptations.

it not an easy task I tell you, I tried it abit without the diet part and it was pretty hard. and I am not a pro and my country is not a boxing country so I imagine they would work twice as hard.

and for a fight to make it look easy, the training will be more intense, harder and longer.

[Easy-E]

Tell me something, does somebody with a "severely injured" hand fight again only four months later? Not likely.

Margarito is what most people would categorize as one dimensional. Of course some of the greatest fighters ever fit that description. Success in boxing is determined by results, not style. Margarito is a tough fight for anyone in his weight class.

The evidence was in the fight.
Watch it and maybe I will listen to your opinion.
Immideatly after landing that left uppercut he was holding his hand, in pain and in retreat mode for the rest of the fight after clearly winning the first 4 rounds.

[Easy-E]

Tell me something, does somebody with a "severely injured" hand fight again only four months later? Not likely.

Margarito is what most people would categorize as one dimensional. Of course some of the greatest fighters ever fit that description. Success in boxing is determined by results, not style. Margarito is a tough fight for anyone in his weight class.

I would disagree.
The greatest fighters of all time were able to adapt to different situations and exploit their opponents. Switch styles and techniques in mid fight and make the necessary adjustments to win.
The best fighters were able to utilize their skills in a variety of ways in order to come out with the victory.
i.e. NOT Antionio Margarito.

Are you saying that SRR or SRL, or Muhammad Ali or Tony Pep or Henry Armstrong were one dimensional???

[Easy-E]

Tell me something, does somebody with a "severely injured" hand fight again only four months later? Not likely.

Margarito is what most people would categorize as one dimensional. Of course some of the greatest fighters ever fit that description. Success in boxing is determined by results, not style. Margarito is a tough fight for anyone in his weight class.

Any yet we have seen posters on this board, you included, discredit Floyd Mayweather for the way he fights, rather than appreciate his style, his ability to win a fight and his UNDEFEATED record.

Please.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

It was a 12 round fight and Margarito won conclusively. On that note Zab Judah was outboxing Floyd. But Miguel could, and did, knock Judah the **** out.

And Judah was en route to the KO vs Floyd. Which is why he bailed himself out by trying to administer a vasectomy.

Judah wasn't outboxing Floyd. Judah was outgunning Floyd. Big difference. And Floyd had the boxing ability, smarts and gameplan to overcome.

But fifteen months later, Migs wears Judah down. Cong**** on that.

[Scott9945]

The evidence was in the fight.
Watch it and maybe I will listen to your opinion.
Immideatly after landing that left uppercut he was holding his hand, in pain and in retreat mode for the rest of the fight after clearly winning the first 4 rounds.

I saw the fight telecast live and several times since. He was clearly complaining constantly about his hand. It seemed at times like he wanted to quit. Margarito had a damaged wrist but kept quiet and fought on. It is indisputable that Clottey fought Diego Corrales just four months later with no evidence of hand injuries. Whether you want to listen to it or not, my opinion is that the pressure of fighting Margarito made Clottey feel his hands were more damaged than they actually were. He will need better focus and resiliance to defeat Zab Judah next month.

[eazy_mas]

Any yet we have seen posters on this board, you included, discredit Floyd Mayweather for the way he fights, rather than appreciate his style, his ability to win a fight and his UNDEFEATED record.

Please.

that exactly what I trying to prove.

I like Mayweather as a boxer but maybe no as a person. he has accomplished many things in his career even though people want to discredit him. but you dont see alot of p4p fighting each other.

usally guy at 147 walk around 160 or maybe even more.

The most thing I didnt like about this forum is discrediting Carlos Baldomir, they guy fought 19 fights and 10 years without defeat to take the belt. He is a good example of a hard working fighter and the new age Cinderella man. If he paid for the other sacntion he was to be the official undisputed champion