Skills Break-Down Poll: Jones vs. Calzaghe

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  • Kris Silver
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    #61
    Originally posted by P4P Opinion
    Cheers Dude. If there was any analysis I was going to get right it was Calzaghe vs Jones, considering I have watched virtually every fight of their champion-level careers. I might be completely wrong of course, but that's the way I see it happening!

    Adapting to Roy might not be easy, but adapting mid-fight is Calzaghe's biggest strength. Just look at what happened in the Kessler fight. At round 6 I had Kessler winning by 4 rounds to 2. Calzaghe then stopped squaring up, instead keeping his shoulders angled to use his jab and straight left. Kessler, a counter-puncher, was left with nothing much to counter as he didn't have an easy target anymore and the punches being thrown were quicker than the hooks he had been countering. Kessler couldn't adapt and lost at least five of the next six rounds.

    Forget his quick handspeed and his excellent workrate. His adaptability is his greatest weapon.
    I'm pleased that I've round about predicted the fight, the rounds and the result about the same as someone whom has watched virtually all of their fights, because that's more to go off than I've got in all honesty. Of course we could be wrong, as much as it is based off prior performances, known current skill sets and what have you, a lot of it is also just little subtleties of each fighter, kinda personalities aswell for me.

    You can say Joe's great strength is adapting and have several styles he can switch to, or even new ones, to win rounds and the fight. True I agree. However, looking deeper some of his most recent examples were against quite predictable opponents where he should have known what to do from the get go, not half way through.

    Kessler - was fairly robotic at that time, it took getting some massive uppercuts to teach him a lesson and change his game plan.

    Hopkins - he knew what he was going to do but got caught with the predictable right hand, and didn't work out a gameplan really til again the 4th round ish.

    It needn't have been that way had he have researched and anticipated more his opponents styles and game plans, and vision a couple of styles and game plans to counter act them. He shows a lack of planning which Roy will catch him out with, and he's also slightly less predictable than Nard or Kessler really. So I he'll gona have to get stuck in once again having made it harder for himself than it needed to be early on.

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    • Dynamite Kid
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      #62
      LOL at the idiots who think Calzaghe is quicker than Jones

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      • Kris Silver
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        #63
        Originally posted by Terrible...
        LOL at the idiots who think Calzaghe is quicker than Jones
        If you read prior posts they explain why. Roys slightly faster with the hands, whilst Joes slightly faster with the feet, only by more so. Hence an edge.

        I voted Speed on Roy, but they have a point, hands aren't everything and a lot probably haven't factored in feet enough.

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        • THE REED
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          #64
          joe by brutal KO

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            #65
            Originally posted by KrisSilver
            If you read prior posts they explain why. Roys slightly faster with the hands, whilst Joes slightly faster with the feet, only by more so. Hence an edge.

            I voted Speed on Roy, but they have a point, hands aren't everything and a lot probably haven't factored in feet enough.
            okay so having faster feet is more relevant than having the faster hands

            its a Boxing match ,if Calzaghe was that fleet footed he would not have been tagged by big counters by Kessler and Bika ,Reid ,Hopkins ,Mitchell and he would be more defensively sound which he has never been

            Roy is not fleet footed these days but i struggle to see how Calzaghe has ever been

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              #66
              Jones is better at every skill category, what Calzaghe has over Jones is stamina and workrate. Calzaghe stamina and workrate alone can win the fight for him. But I think Jones power will get to him and keep Calzaghe workrate down. Jones by UD maybe even a stoppage.

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              • P4P Opinion
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                #67
                Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                joe by brutal KO
                We all read it first time.

                I wasn't comparing Kessler to Roy btw. I was just giving you an example of Calzaghe adapting. Of course Roy will be more difficult to adapt to and I'm not saying Calzaghe will necessarily. I was merely playing Devil's advocate. Although as you've read, I am still picking Calzaghe.

                I love Roy too man, I'm no hater.

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                • warp1432
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                  #68
                  I voted speed for Calzaghe because at this point he has better footspeed and reactions. Jones hands are faster, but Calzaghe's hands are pretty fast too.

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                  • Gatti9783
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                    #69
                    Roy Jones would never lose to a white boy

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                    • THE REED
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                      #70
                      that is in fact true... so far.

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