RJJ as dominant with McClellan around?

[rizkybizness]

yo silencers... off topic but...

skills breakdown for cotto marg

power, heart, chin, stamina?

i need 4 selections

You ****in threadjacker!

[MANGLER]

I think young, prime RJ at his best coulda beaten him.

[$partacus]

In an interview Nigel Benn said that if Calzaghe was active.....JC could have beaten them all Steve Collins, Benn, Mclellan, Eubanks etc etc...
.....JC would have schooled GM. Benn kicked his arse convincingly...what a fight.

i could have won the lottery last saturday..... but i didnt

[Scott9945]

Fighters with the "what could have been" thing about them tend to get overrated.

If G-Man were boxing right now, you can bet that people all over boxing forums would be saying "McClellan only beat a shot John Mugabi, and a half-blind Julian Jackson".

I liked watching McClellan though. His KOs of Mugabi and Jackson were fun to watch. His left hook to the body was vicious. Jay Bell lasted, what, 30 seconds?

Very true. Fighters whose careers are terminated early are usually overrated, whether they are prospects (Tony Ayala) or truly great (Salvador Sanchez). Another one is Ike Ibeabuchi who had only 19 fights with just two wins over anyone respectable.

[IMDAZED]

Very true. Fighters whose careers are terminated early are usually overrated, whether they are prospects (Tony Ayala) or truly great (Salvador Sanchez). Another one is Ike Ibeabuchi who had only 19 fights with just two wins over anyone respectable.

Actually, Ibeabuchi wasn't overrated at all. He was pretty good. His win over a prime, in-shape Tua was extremely impressive and his KO of Byrd (where he fought the exact opposite fight he fought against Tua) were right up there with any other wins by heavyweights. Tua and Byrd were both two of the best up and coming guys in the division.

Also, he was lined up to take on Michael Grant next - who he surely would've KO'ed. That would put him in line against Lewis. Whether he would've beaten him or not is anyone's guess. But the fact that they were headed to a collision within the next two fights speaks volumes to Ibeabuchi's skill and stature at the time.

[Scott9945]

Actually, Ibeabuchi wasn't overrated at all. He was pretty good. His win over a prime, in-shape Tua was extremely impressive and his KO of Byrd (where he fought the exact opposite fight he fought against Tua) were right up there with any other wins by heavyweights. Tua and Byrd were both two of the best up and coming guys in the division.

Also, he was lined up to take on Michael Grant next - who he surely would've KO'ed. That would put him in line against Lewis. Whether he would've beaten him or not is anyone's guess. But the fact that they were headed to a collision within the next two fights speaks volumes to Ibeabuchi's skill and stature at the time.

The Tua fight was very close and could have gone either way IMO. Byrd was outboxing him badly before he got caught. I'm not saying that Ike wasn't an excellent prospect, just that he wasn't the sure thing people made him out to be at the time of his arrest. The fact is that he never beat a good heavyweight over 6'0 tall.

[IMDAZED]

The Tua fight was very close and could have gone either way IMO. Byrd was outboxing him badly before he got caught. I'm not saying that Ike wasn't an excellent prospect, just that he wasn't the sure thing people made him out to be at the time of his arrest. The fact is that he never beat a good heavyweight over 6'0 tall.

I thought he beat Tua close but clear.

But the idea that Byrd was badly outboxing him before the KO is...very, very false. In fact, it was Ibeabuchi who was coming on in the two rounds before the KO as Byrd's corner PLEADED with him to get off the ropes. Even Lederman, who had a hard-on for Byrd had the fight even going into the fifth.

And BTW, Byrd is 6'2.

[hemichromis]

Calzaghe would have beaten G-Man because Calzaghe has a good chin and better boxing skills than Jones. Jones has a **** chin and only raw talent, no boxing skills.

jones' chin was not ****!
he had amazing skills, i dont know why some people think he was just a very fast fighter. he could feint better than anyone, make his opponent miss better than anyone and would just control the ring for the entire fight!

just because he didnt look like the 'technical' boxer doesnt mean he wasn't