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For what it's worth I think the best competition Roy's faced were on the same level as Calzaghe, just Roy faced good competition more consistently, whilst Joe was admittedly fighting lesser competition.
So Roys resume does beat Joe's easily. It isn't quite so black and white though.
There is some validity in Roy faced more names, and that's a common theme I think. Sorry but Reid, Omar Sheika, Mario Veit, and Evans Ashire are decent, and noway near as bad as some like to make out at times. Joe did beat the best the US had in the SMW division several times. Joe's tainted a few careers with that, and the likes of those fighters, Brewer, Mitchell are looked upon too unfavourably imo.
Secondly, Joe did completely out class his opponents aswell, even with less power and speed than Roy. That's impressive. Even when on the back foot he's showed he can toy with an opponent and if he chose to early on, TKO or sometimes even KO them.
Also, Joe has shown and says himself, he performs often as he needs to, i.e not his best against lesser competition. But bigger fights such as Eubank, Lacy, Kessler where he's under dog he puts on unreal performances that no one expected. I know it's not great saying if that'd been the case more through his career we'd have seen these high level performances more against other higher opponents, but it's pretty reasonable to say so, he has a nact for raising his game and providing truly great performances that are often clouded by lesser ones.
It's tricky to judge 'best' opposition, there so many factors i.e the style and skills of him and others at different times in there careers for one. Styles makes fights for another.
Joe has prooved he's on that level. 6 years ago, I'd say Joe would've have been a close fight for Johnson (pissed that fight didn't come off), Hopkins, Tarver, and Roy. The earlier I list those the more I favour them against Joe. Cal Tarver would be tight, I think Cal would just edge it, I mean even if he got caught by the shot Tarver KO'd Roy with, he wouldn't have been KO'd and still be right in there.
As for Roy, I'd naturally favour Roy but again, I think Joe genuinely has an odd ability to really raise his game and surprise ppl. He said Lacy was on his mind for months, it was all he could think about because he was a big threat and favored to beat Joe. This mentality seems to bring out intense and creative performances.Last edited by Kris Silver; 07-02-2008, 09:06 AM.Comment
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Two main things to come from this thread:
TommyGun has embarressed himself with his disgraceful lack of knowledge of anyone's career outside of Calzaghe
JohnyRebel or whatever his name is has embarressed, and will continue to embarress himself with his laughable sig.
Oh yeah, Joe is not the best Roy will have fought. That honour goes to either B-Hop or Toney. Only morons fail to recognise this. On the other hand Roy will be the best Joe has fought by a distance. Roy is top 10 (maybe even top 5) p4p all time. It must really kill the Calzaghe fans that he will be lucky to be considered a top 50 p4p fighter when he retires.Comment
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like i said i knew it would be biased the people that actually posted a legit arguement said Tarver the others cant make a case for Kessler so they just voted on the poll and most of them are Calzaghe fans ATL Account to sway the arguemnt Calzaghes way quite pathetic that people feel the need to vote in 2 seperate accounts
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Sir Joe -Ricky
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I Think it tells its own story TBHComment
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