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Everyone country inflates their records. Tye Fields is only the most recent example from America. Jeff Lacy was another example of a good record used to make the fighter look incredible, unbeatable, super-human. He was a credible fighter, not a laughing stock. He was American and he was the next big thing. Remember which joke of a fighter, with his laughable record utterly destroyed Lacy's career?Comment
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This about says it all pretty much. Not bad really, only one really Joes fault was Roy, but then I don't credit the main reason just not going to America too much, I think there must have been much more to it, and also think Roy might have done a Hopkins and upped his financial demands later on.Comment
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It takes two to tango. Joe is not necessarily solely at fault for any of those fights not coming off. He is at fault (or at least partially, his promoter shares equal if not more blame) for his career not holding as many big names as it should. You lot are at fault for not giving him credit for the record he HAS built, which everyone knows damn well that those who criticise Calzaghe would LOVE him if he was from their country. They'd defend him just as strongly and just as vehemently as we do as his fans. In fact, if the Americans on this forum are anything to go by (I'm talking about the average, not the few highly intelligent and reasonable ones), there is no way that you'd accept nor admit to ANY faults within Calzaghe at all. Whereas many of us Brits would.Comment
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Perfect. Which is what this thread is about. Reaching the common ground... I'm not saying Joe didn't have reasons, financial and otherwise, for none of those fights coming off. I am saying that, in the end, Calzaghe's record is probably not as good as it should have been. I feel the same way about Mayweather and his actions over the last 2 years or so...Comment
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You replied the comment, where I and another pretty much accepted Joe was most at fault, on Roy. Odd.
Look the fact is some of them are bad luck and coincidental, and yes I can totally see that it could seem far fetched, but far more so to a somewhat cynical eye.
When listing some actual reasons, suddenly then you resort to, oh excuses. You either want reasons or not, if ur just gona say excuses your not taking it in, and your posts are excuses for your less favorable view on him.
You've been fairly respectful but your initial post challenged something and you continue to. So with respect, in what way is this thread truly a truce with Calzaghe fans.Last edited by Kris Silver; 06-30-2008, 02:59 PM.Comment
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I edited my post, might be worth another glance.
Dude that's not all that strong or specific, just saying he was responsible. People have actually listed specific reasons on why certain fights didn't come out, ranging from injuries to the other backing out. So what exactly can Joe do about those two? That leaves your generalising attitude of kinda his fault, somewhat ill considered of the more specific situations.Comment
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You are overlooking the fact that for most of the time that Joe could have moved up, the only genuinely compelling reason to do so was a fight with Roy Jones. There was no guarantee such a fight would happen and indeed it would be quite unlikely prime for prime since Roy had his heart set on a trip to HW. LHW was not packed with talent itself and the general standard was not much better than SMW. Tarver and Johnson (who had been a losing peer of Joe's at SMW) only emerged as 'big fights' after Roy had been to HW and back and then lost to both of them. At this time Calzaghe was already on the Lacy and Kessler trail.
I wish Joe had moved up, because he might well have handed Roy his first loss instead of Tarver, but it is easy to see why he didn't. Also I think it quite likely that had he done so and beaten Tarver and Johnson those two wins would be disregarded as being agsinst journeymen and people would say he ducked Kessler and Lacy.Comment
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