is manny pacman pacquiao a top 50 all time great fighter??

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Even though Hatton is a **** name IMO I think it would do more for Manny then it did for Mayweather because unlike Mayweather, Manny is heavily outsized.
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How much does manny weigh?
how much does mayweather weigh?

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It wasn't like Pacquiao was fighting "the best" as an early pro. He was fighting second-tier asian guys.

However, Mayweather's losses (or disputed losses) were to the very best amateurs. On a national/international stage.

So, i don't think your argument can be supported or disproved either way.

you know Asia has some of the best flyweight boxers right?

pacman had no training and beat one of the better talented fighters for the wbc flywieght title in sasakual

that is impressive

and he beat ledwaba with only 2 weeks notice! he fought a guy who considered 20 times out of his league and demolished him for the belt.

An older Morales is better then Arturo Gatti that Floyd jr fought.

Floyd jr has all these skills dont you ever get mad when he doesnt fight often or doesnt fight guys to test his skills like cotto or margarito or mosley?

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I think he will be when it's all said and done. The knock against him is that the great fighters he beat were all past there best. Not his fault, he beats whoever they put in front of him. Pac will keep on fighting the best guys he can until he retires, and I think he ends up with one of the best resumes in history.

Gooz has been BEGGING for a fight. I guess the Barrera rematch and the larios/whoever fights were more important.

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Like Mayweather is the smaller/weaker guy vs Delahoya?
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I'm not doubting Mayweather ether, Mayweather was an excellent fighter also. The reason I rank Pacquiao higher is because he doesn't duck anyone, Mayweather does. Mayweather is still impressive, just not as much as Pacquiao.

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Gooz has been BEGGING for a fight. I guess the Barrera rematch and the larios/whoever fights were more important.

how come you never worry about floyd jr who he fights?

shambra gimp knee mithcell, demarcus cho hop corely( dude gave floyd jr a tough fight),zab mental midget judah, arturo punching bag gatti, carlos slow as a slug baldomir,oscar over the hill delahoya,(floyd jr won an SD lol on an old ass oscar!) and Ricky Fatton who leads with his chin.

floyds best win is against The Big show on WWE.

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It wasn't like Pacquiao was fighting "the best" as an early pro. He was fighting second-tier asian guys.

However, Mayweather's losses (or disputed losses) were to the very best amateurs. On a national/international stage.

So, i don't think your argument can be supported or disproved either way.

Well yeah my whole point is that there are alot of intangibles. Pac's 1st 2 losses as a pro 1 came from a low blow that should have ended as a DQ instead of a KO and the other was a world title defense so i dont know how 2nd tier it would be to lose a world title

You're right about Mayweather's amateur losses but the best amateurs in the world dont necessarily translate into great pros. The philippines has had 5 olympic medalists since 92 but are non-existent as pros

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I'm not doubting Mayweather ether, Mayweather was an excellent fighter also. The reason I rank Pacquiao higher is because he doesn't duck anyone, Mayweather does. Mayweather is still impressive, just not as much as Pacquiao.

Joan Guzman. please explain why that fight has not happened. No. Gooz did not outprice himself.

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I think he will be when it's all said and done. The knock against him is that the great fighters he beat were all past there best. Not his fault, he beats whoever they put in front of him. Pac will keep on fighting the best guys he can until he retires, and I think he ends up with one of the best resumes in history.

I guess you've bought into the crap that the pacquiao haters have been putting in this forum. Morales and Barrera were both ko'd at 29 years of age by pacquaio. its a complete load of crap that they were past it or that they've been in so manny battles and were spent. heavyweights take more punishment in a single fight than morales and barrera do in 10 fights. 29 year old morales and barrera are about as equivalent to a 23 year old heavyweight as far as punishment goes.

I'm not a huge pacquiao fan nor do I hate latino fighters, I'm just calling it like I see it.

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I'm not doubting Mayweather ether, Mayweather was an excellent fighter also. The reason I rank Pacquiao higher is because he doesn't duck anyone, Mayweather does. Mayweather is still impressive, just not as much as Pacquiao.

Agreed. Mayweather was great at 130 and 135 but at 140, 147 and 154 he stopped fighting the best and picked opponents he knew he could beat while making the most money. I respect Manny more as a fighter because Manny has been fighting killers throughout his career and beating them. Yeah he has some losses but comes with the territory of fighting the best something Mayweather wanted no part of in his career from 140 on.

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Well yeah my whole point is that there are alot of intangibles. Pac's 1st 2 losses as a pro 1 came from a low blow that should have ended as a DQ instead of a KO and the other was a world title defense so i dont know how 2nd tier it would be to lose a world title

You're right about Mayweather's amateur losses but the best amateurs in the world dont necessarily translate into great pros. The philippines has had 5 olympic medalists since 92 but are non-existent as pros

Just keep in mind: it's not as if the guys who beat pac are world-beaters.